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Jul 14 2014

Podcast: Katharine with a side of Bette!

In this special edition of the podcast, Nathaniel welcomes two Katharine Hepburn buffsNick Davisand安妮玛丽 Kellyto talk about their (shared) first Actress Obsession.NaturallyKate the Greatisn't the only diva that finds her way into the conversation.Expect supporting roles or cameos: Bette Davis, Cary Grant, Barbara Stanwyck, Tennessee Williams, Deborah Kerr, Spencer Tracy, Audrey Hepburn, George Cukor and more...

You can listen at the bottom of the postordownload the conversation on iTunes.Continue the conversation in the comments.

00:00 Intro.Plus Middle School drama: Hilariously "intense" early obsessions
13:00 Types, Genres, andSuddenly Last Summer
17:00 Her autobiography and films she loathed likeDragon Seed
22:00 Chemistry and co-stars
33:00 Revisiting unsatisfying movies -- raise a cocktail to this peculiar cinephile habit
40:00 The Spinster & The Magic Penis
47:00 Bette Davis and why we compare them.Silliness before the sign off.

Further Reading
打我与你最好的拍摄:Summertime
Nick's Hepburn Oscar Profile
A Year With Kate:Pat & Mike
A Year With Kate:Dragon Seed
A Year With Kate:Christopher Strong
Me: Stories of My Life(Book)
The Making ofthe African Queen(Book)
Alex Von Tunzelmann & Self Styled Siren(Twitter)

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Listened to this on my way to work this morning.Brilliant as usual!Thanks so much, guys.My favorite bits were the magical penises, fizzy cocktails of entertainment and Anne Marie's and Nick's random childhood traumas :)

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家Carlos

This is one of the best episodes yet.Not only because of Anne Marie's comment on the life affirming possibilities of Burt Lancaster's magic penis, but because it's a true actressexual exercise in the ouvre of Katherine Hepburn, a performer whose acclaim masks the divisiveness of the actual work.

If I can put on my two little cents, I would very much like to see more special podcasts like this one, focused on the movies through the prism of an actress's career and abilities, rather then movies as they premiere, be it festivals, or Oscar season, or just the big release of the week.We don't even have to stick simply to classic Golden Age actresses!I think Kathleen Turner would be a great actress to feature in one of those, or Winona Ryder, or TFE favorites like Laura Dern and Laura Linney.

Now, down to actressing:

I was introduced to Kate Hepburn with A Long Day's Journey Into Night, and shortly after The African Queen.I loved her in both movies.I later saw her in The Glass Menagerie (a TV adaptation of Tennessee William's classic), which I still liked, but not over the moon about it.Little Women followed and then Lion in the Winter, and from that two-punch on I was Team Hepburn all the way.When I visited Chinon Castle in the Loire Valley, I spent the whole day quoting from the movie, so I can relate to Anne Marie's monologuing on the elevator.

Audrey Hepburn is lovely and a much better actress than people give her credit.I know it's not a good time to say so, coming right out of the week in which people were forced to sit through My Fair Lady (not her shiniest moment, let's put it mildly, with the lip-syncing controversy and all), but I stand by happily as an apologist!:)

I have very little knowledge of Bette Davis' filmography, but of what I have seen, All About Eve is the be all end all of bettedavising.It should be a verb actually.Whenever someone shows up, get's right in your face, roughs you up, ties you down, kisses you, steals your wallet, smacks your bottom, winks and leaves, and you love them for it, it should be called bettedavising.I wish I got bettedavised more often!

And Barbara Stanwyck!!I hold my fire on that one, in hopes Anne Marie truly does follow this year's work with a Stanwyck retrospective!I propose her filmography + Thorn Birds (guilty pleasure of mine).

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家Carmen Sandiego

She's so beautifull i Like...It :)

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家Place2

Hey thanks for sharing...WOW really awesome...!!!

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家Vipin

Love this.Suddenly Last Summer to the top of my queue.

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家eurocheese

Wow, that second picture.How did that miss the head dress discussion?

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家亨利

纳撒尼尔与尼克,感谢有我的播客!我有一个美好的时光。和尼克,我敢打赌,你在中学做了令人难以置信的玛丽·蒂龙。

卡门圣迭戈 - 我承认我是因为不熟悉Stanwyk的片目,你是与戴维斯的。但是,这实际上是吸引力。谁知道?2015年是蒸馏室5个月的时间。

我希望大家在HMWYBS加入了突然,去年夏天。显然,尼克,纳撒尼尔,我都非常偏向田纳西·威廉斯,但它确实是一部电影,必须亲眼目睹才能相信。我们甚至没有触及伊丽莎白·泰勒和蒙哥马利·克利夫特!

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家安妮玛丽

她的采访迪克卡维特是有史以来最伟大的事情之一。他们终于说服她做,但她进来的时候看到的前手的工作室,她刚刚决定他们应该做的采访权,然后。所以,这是她和卡维特在不断变得越来越全面,因为人们谁在建设工作开始听到关于它的空室。

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家意志^ h

我爱你附近开始讨论有关看主要演员进入她的角色。
虽然这是不一样的52周的项目,我很幸运地做一个疗程的冯伯格在大学,也有类似的乐趣看玛琳黛德丽从伟大的开始到冯Schtupp到圣EFF在短短几个星期。

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家迈克在加拿大

真的很喜欢讨论,这是伟大的听到大家的最爱也最爱至少,为什么他们觉得自己做对他们的方式。

我真的爱系列。我一直是一个迷,即使她从来都不是我绝对喜欢和你说的回顾她的电影按时间顺序并给予不同的角度对她作为一个女演员和当某些她的众所周知的特点首先出现了或怎么她 refined them to work for her.

这是伟大的和令人兴奋的是纳撒尼尔正在寻找下一个系列的可能性。我可以想像,它一定是具有挑战性,因为选择的人不能有太多或太少学分,这些都或多或少一应俱全。我是这么认为的多,然后他们为什么会不无某种资格缺失的工作。

至于你说的贝蒂·戴维斯有一个巨大的信贷量和她的一些最有趣的工作,来到她的电视电影后期在她的职业生涯。琼·克劳馥了这么多默片,一些我认为都将丢失,做了一堆电视对她的职业生涯的结束,她最后的电影是可怕的。即使没有电视电影我想芭芭拉·斯坦威克有超过70学分虽然明显,我认为他们大多仍显示不时。我觉得英格丽·褒曼的,但她的工作有很大的交易是要么瑞典或意大利文,除了六月之夜和间奏曲是几乎不可能找到瑞典电影。

如果这不是太冒昧了。我也拿出四个我想建议,所有大明星与鲜明的个性和对信贷的适当数量最多,其中很容易找到:

奥利维娅·德哈维兰,一个黄金时代的最后剩余的女神,将是巨大的,给她的职业生涯的概述。随着她的迷你系列外观和极少数客人点她取出她的信用跑到约56。

罗莎琳德·拉塞尔 - 她可能已经开始了米高梅对玛娜·洛伊威胁,但她成为了一个完全形成鲜明明星谁一旦她打到前很少走回支持,并在戏剧电影大多工作。她又做了一些小的电视亮相,但与他们她总学分53,近乎完美减去。

当我看着IMDB她没有超过52个学分,她成了著名人物了这么久,居然时代跨越简·方达,我是真的震惊了。她的职业生涯有过这样不同的时期也sexpot,严重的女演员,活动家明星,现在作为一个明星回来,谁不幸的是并没有流传一个值得她的礼物的作用呢。由于她新的活动虽然又回到了职业生涯的概述可能为时过早。

苏珊·海沃德,四个的一个最强相似戴维斯·斯坦威克,克劳福德等。不算uncredited位和短裤,她有57个学分。不像其他人,甚至罗兹谁在聚光灯配角开始,她在她的方式顶端硬的方式,通过位,小配角,女友角色则B电影的女主角终于星斑,即使在她搬到明星 supporting roles it was always in quality productions, even Valley of the Dolls train wreck that it is was a big budget affair.

July 14, 2014 | 未注册的批评家joel6

喜欢这个播客和爱田纳西·威廉斯,突然去年夏天,狮子在冬季和贝蒂·戴维斯。我还发现ķ赫本。爱她的人突然,去年夏天,狮子在冬季,也许,费城故事。
@Anne玛丽:你在播客的热情和繁荣是一种快乐的体验!

July 15, 2014 | 未注册的批评家詹姆斯Ť

迟来的,但是我终于听这和预期是美好的。我是专门给凯瑟琳·赫本当我是太少了,但我只看过出于同样的原因,你都在谈论这位年轻赫本的电影。我喜欢她是不屈的,我喜欢在电影以为她是蔚为壮观。凯特·赫本,老处女,只是不适合什么,我想从她看。因此,这现在是一个很好的动力,我已经长大了一点,有没有理由继续拖延冬狮龙或天入夜(我知道,我知道,亵渎)。更赫本,越多越好。

July 15, 2014 | 未注册的批评家TB

我非常惊讶我Joel6多少认同。我投给罗莎琳德·拉塞尔。安妮玛丽找到一个演员是鼓舞人心的,有她的情感联系是最重要的。52周什么都可以模糊的最好的热情

July 15, 2014 | 未注册的批评家Leslie19

这是伟大的!我被介绍给凯特金色池塘。有趣的是,没有人提到它认为它有多受欢迎了。我得承认,她的书都是好书了。

它从来没有发生,我认为她是在单对一个场景更好,但它是绝对真实的!此外,魔术阴茎的整个理论是迷人的,它甚至与最近的电影作品。

July 15, 2014 | 未注册的批评家佩吉苏

有谁知道是否凯特和贝蒂曾考虑在同一部电影一起行动?

July 15, 2014 | 未注册的批评家JANS

JANS,我不知道如何来接近实际发生的事情,但贝蒂·戴维斯想联合主演凯特在八月的鲸鱼。她走近,并拒绝了,虽然制片人一直想莉莲·吉什,谁最初提出异议了。一旦莉莲说是贝蒂是毫不避讳地炫耀她的不满,这是她坐在她的对面,而不是赫本谁贝蒂一直想与工作。

July 15, 2014 | 未注册的批评家joel6

joel6 - 感谢洞察力:)

July 15, 2014 | 未注册的批评家JANS

我很享受凯特年这么多,即使我没有能看到电影,而这个播客是锦上添花我的蛋糕每周片。

我们可以开始对所有的安妮玛丽球迷俱乐部?我们可以称自己樊新婚夫妇!

July 16, 2014 | 未注册的批评家圣FranCinema

好的。我知道这会听起来很疯狂,因为她不是偶像,我没有被她看到什么,但我会duggest的一年与艾达(卢皮诺)只是让我了解她。

July 16, 2014 | 未注册的批评家詹姆斯Ť

真是一个伟大的播客,谢谢纳撒尼尔,安妮玛丽和尼克如此诚实带出高潮和伟大的凯瑟琳·赫本的低点。大多数你感动于具有永恒的吸引力品质的所有的;伟大的形体美的魅力与她对生活的纯粹的繁荣一起。
我倒被她迷住了,当我在中学,观看费城故事和冬狮尤其如此。后来在我的20年代,我发现她的老处女电影非常努力,他们显得那么的不公平和平均值。安妮玛丽,你是不是谁把他们个人的唯一的一个。作为一个女人,我觉得好莱坞脚本,这样不公正的很多女演员的范围。赫本是过来人,并成为一个图标,但她的职业生涯是一个最好的证明是非常真实的限制。最爱的是神通有趣的意见,并期待看到您的系列的其余部分。
最后字处理她在30个年代的电影是很不平衡的,但蛾的服装令人惊叹。克里斯托弗强可能不是一个好电影,但你不能以“银蛾”争论。

July 16, 2014 | 未注册的批评家LadyEdith

圣FranCinema - 谢谢你。这意见是对的锦上添花my周。

真的不过,读者是making这一系列的它是什么。你所有的不只是参与;你真聪明。我阅读每评论(我知道纳撒尼尔确实太少),因为我知道你会挑上的东西我还是错过了一些伟大的故事或分析,或随笔出来。

我爱你们。感谢您的阅读每星期三。尤其是在恶劣的电影。

July 16, 2014 | 未注册的批评家安妮玛丽

非常有趣的聆听了这一点。像尼克,凯瑟琳WAS电影给我,让大约在同一时间,我进入电影为严肃的艺术形式,我陷进去凯瑟琳·赫本,我认为(知道)我可能会永远是极力保护她甚至我承认 her limitations and foibles.但是,这有一个“最爱”任何人的乐趣的一部分。

但她真的是在很多方面的异常。我爱安妮玛丽指出,没有凯特流派这就是为什么我总是别提有多惊讶,我在考虑太多奥斯卡多么爱她,她从来没有在奥斯卡最佳影片,因为她做了轻喜剧,浪漫喜剧,滑稽喜剧,直 drama, relationship drama, camp drama, quasi-action films and even as I love her sometimes it's as difficult to explain why she's GREAT in a movie and why she's not great, but even when she's not great she's so fascinating to watch.有趣的是她不是一个点 actor in visual films, because on the flipside - bad movies and all - I think she has a good track record with well written films.Like even if the movies didn't always turn out well, you can see the script was trying for something new, or fresh.

But, God, I was obsessed with Katharine.Consumed ever biography, autobiography she ever featured in to read.I think I've been unable love any other star from that era as much just because I feel like I'd be betraying Kate.Childhood obsessions are so weird.

July 16, 2014 | 未注册的批评家AndrewK

They might not be the obvious choices, but I would like to suggest for the next series two actresses whose brilliance has sadly been forgotten--Jennifer Jones and Greer Garson.Since childhood, they have been my two favorites.Jennifer would have been much more famous had she not been so private, and her list of classics and acclaimed films stands on its own.She had an astonishing versatility, and an ethereal presence on screen.Greer's filmography shows a long list of steadfastly heroic roles, but no matter now similar the parts, she always brought an amazing intelligence and inherent elegance to everything she did.Today's audiences need to know what they're missing, because these ladies' legacies deserve recognition.

安妮玛丽, this has been a staggering achievement...can't wait to read your book of this series!

July 16, 2014 | 未注册的批评家brookesboy

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