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Jun 07 2015

Smackdown 1979: Barbara, Candice, Jane, Mariel ...and Meryl Streep!

Presenting the Supporting Actresses of '79。三个离婚试图找到自己或建设新的生活(一白热化字符类型/电影主题在70年代末)争夺一个简单的郊区妈妈,并在第52届奥斯卡颁奖典礼一个早熟的学生雕像。


Candice Bergen玛利尔·海明威were first-time Oscar players in 1979, but they shared the interesting distinction of being previous Globe nominees in the long since cancelled category of "Promising Newcomer/Acting Debut" in 1966 (The Sand Pebbles) and 1976 (Lipstick) respectively.Barbara Barrie, the eldest nominee, was no stranger to good reviews having previously won Cannes Best Actress (for the little seen interracial romanceOne Potato Two Potatoin 1964) but was largely considered a TV actress. She returned to the small screen immediately after her most beloved film role -- in a TV series based on that film no less making her the rare performer (the only one?) to have received both an Emmy nomination and Oscar nomination for the same exact role! But theKramer vs Kramerladies were the marquee draws in 1979 and not just because the public response to their divorce drama was so seismic:简亚历山大Meryl Streephad been nominated before and would be again. Especially La Streep. No one could have then predicted that she'd continually obliterate Oscar records over the next thirty plus years but大家knew she was the Next Big Thing. 1979 was the year of her true ascendance, a third consecutive year co-starring in a Best Picture contender (Julia, The Deer Hunter, Kramer vs Kramer) and the small matter of two other much-raved about performances in the same year (ManhattanThe Seduction of Joe Tynan)。


Here to talk about these five turns are authorKM Soehnlein("The World of Normal Boys") and film bloggersKristen Sales(在电影销售),Bill Chambers(Film Freak Central),Brian Herrera(StinkyLulu),和your hostNathaniel R(亚博主页)。还有a must-listen Podcast companion conversationto the Smackdown where we flesh out some of these thoughts and expound on the movies themselves.

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An in-depth discussion after the jump...

JANE ALEXANDER as "Margaret Phelps" inKramer vs. Kramer
Synopsis: A divorced neighbor watches two friends marriage crumble and her allegiance begin to shift when she sees the wreckage
统计: Then 40 yrs old, 6th film, 3rd nomination. 10 minutes of screen time (or 9% of running time).

K.M. Soehnlein:点所有的信念在她的眼睛!她sells every scene even though the script rewrites her character every time she appears. She’s the measuring stick by which we judge the change in Hoffman’s protagonist: she begins with righteous judgment and ends up as his character witness. But even Ms. Alexander’s talents couldn’t sell the plot-point that she was still in love with her (off-screen) ex-husband. Margaret has fallen for Ted, am I right?♥♥♥

Kristen Sales: Alexander cradling the knocked-out, asleep Billy, child of Ted (Hoffman) and Joanna (Streep) while talking to Ted about her own divorce is the key to the entire movie. Alexander radiates maternal warmth, the safety and security of “home,” the absence of which the film takes as its central theme. In the divorce court scenes, Margaret, caught between two friends and racked with guilt over her complicity in their break-up, becomes the substitute for Billy: she is the broken home.♥♥♥

Bill Chambers: A demanding role in that Alexander must evidence and track a somewhat turbulent personal life that exists entirely offscreen, plus convey neutrality in the titular battle while being firmly allied with Hoffman's character--with whom she must establish chemistry that can never, for reasons of taste, become romantic. Wisely, if perhaps inevitably, she strikes a note of constant fatigue, and her breakdown while washing dishes feels suitably cathartic and not simply tied to the harrowing events of the day.♥♥♥

Brian Herrera: As scripted, Margaret reads as an omnipresent meddling menace, as that impossible friend whose every action seems to always make an already awful situation somehow terribly worse, as if Gladys Kravitz was Medea’s next door neighbor. But in Jane Alexander’s deft rendering, these many moments of nattering flibbertigibbitiness are layered intricately as idiosyncrasies in Alexander’s complex portrait of Margaret’s deeply felt ambivalence. Alexander embodies Margaret’s constantly wavering uncertainty with humanity, clarity and power — no easy task, expertly accomplished here.♥♥♥

Nathaniel R: Though Alexander is a capable actress, the limits of this meek character prevent any formidable or consistent interpretation. It's difficult to get a read on Margaret from scene-to-scene often feeling as if we've missed a key one on the cutting room floor. She's best when she's flummoxed by events beyond her control or emotions as in the courtroom scene in which she doesn't want to be misinterpreted or post-playground accident when she blames herself.♥♥

读者写宏: "Unfairly forgotten due to Streep's tour-de-force. Her courtroom scene is good and her platonic relationship with Hoffman is quite nicely acted" - Brad M. (Reader average:♥♥♥)

Actress earns 17 ❤s

BARBARA BARRIE as "Evelyn Stoller" inBreaking Away
Synopsis: An overworked housewife tries to keep the peace between her grumpy husband and her cycling-fanatic son who is going through an "I-talian" phase.
统计: Then 48 yrs old, 5th film, first and only nomination. 15 minutes of screen time (or 7% of running time).

K.M. Soehnlein: She must have decided early on that since her scene partners were shameless hams, she needed to downplay everything for balance. What a light touch she has! She’s like a sad/wise silent movie clown (e.g. that mostly-dialogue free sequence when she puts flowers in her hair and fails to seduce her husband with a fancy meal and opera music). When she finally lets loose a momentary cheer for her son mid-race, it’s some well-earned joy.♥♥♥

Kristen Sales: Barbara Barrie’s role in Breaking Away, ostensibly as Wife and Mother, begins so much in the background, you barely notice as she steals the movie. It’s a movie about a cycling race and Barrie’s is a thrilling, come from behind victory. While her role is as an archetypal mother, Barrie finds the nuances within; even the deliberate way she dusts the furniture or cooks breakfast is imbued with a kind of self-possessed, All-American small town poetry.♥♥♥

Bill Chambers: A sitcom actress approaching a sitcom archetype--the homemaker who keeps the peace between her hardheaded husband and quixotic son--with professionalism and a surplus of warmth. Love when she shows son Dave her unused passport and her comic seduction of Paul Dooley, both of which strike the same conspiratorial note: she has these two wrapped around her little finger. But she's near enough to tears in the former scene to hint at disappointments masked by her dotty energy♥♥♥♥

Brian Herrera: Barbara Barrie (as “Mom”) delivers a heaping, calorie-conscious helping of mother-love circa 1979. Mom’s scripted to be a loving, patient witness as the two men she loves most — her husband and her son — must wrestle and parry to find their way back to each other. Barrie develops extraordinary texture, nuance and specificity every frickin’ second the camera glances her way (powerful proof of that “no small parts” maxim) but remains tethered by the limits of the material.♥♥

Nathaniel R:她拥有她的人民行动党“娃娃谷”erback while half-talking to her fussing husband is endearing perfection - a snapshot of years of boredom, love, and minor invisible escapisms as part of the furniture… excuse me, family. Barrie has virtually nothing to do but “mom around" in the background but she aces her key scene (the passport) by underplaying the self-reflection; any trace of self-pity would sink it by drawing attention to how much the movie has reduced her to cook and maid.♥♥♥

读者写宏:“按照obli沉静的传统gatory single acting nod afforded a Best Picture nominee. But Barrie is ineffably likeable here, and that’s a lovely intangible." -Brookesboy (Reader average:♥♥½)


CANDICE BERGEN as "Jessica Potter" inStarting Over
Synopsis: An aspiring "singer"/songwriter dumps her husband to pursue her dreams but soon wants him back after he's begun another relationship
统计: Then 33 years old, 18th Film, first and only nomination though she'd later become an Emmy queen. 27 minutes of screen time (or 26% of running time).

K.M. Soehnlein:随着情节must be overcome so that love can prevail, Candice sorta rises above stereotype by comically selling the character’s belief in her terrible singing. Crying to her ex, she manages to convey real emotion—the little modulations in her throat—while never forgetting she’s in a comedy. But her best line (“The thing about love is you can really make an ass of yourself”) happens off screen, with the camera on Burt. The film robs her of her redemption, and she offers little more.♥♥

Kristen Sales: Bergen’s Full Comedy performance inStarting Overstrikes the kind of fearless, confident, slightly “This girl’s nuts!” chord that must have attracted her ex-husband (Burt Reynolds) in the first place. Jessica (Bergen) gives the film an uptick of humor and shot of energy in her few short scenes, usually singing (poorly). But far from a caricature, nightmarish ex-wife, Bergen is even better in lowkey scenes, like when she surprises Jill Clayburgh by matter-of-factly stating she has a Master’s Degree.♥♥♥

Bill Chambers:金色的鬃毛,闷热的声音,那,啊哈,上衣:卑尔根glamorousness被挥舞,使得她成为这里bracingly庸俗的存在 - 的de factoAmerican in a movie that feints at being European, and a definite respite from Jill Clayburgh's Jill Clayburgh-ness--even before she serenades Burt Reynolds with that arch, Ethel Merman-meets-Laura Branigan singing voice. All this leaves her oddly exposed, though, and the award I'm most inclined to give her is for being a good sport.♥♥

Brian Herrera:那脆弱性和虚张声势,是魅力和goofiness,所有轮流恐吓和可爱的混音为角色 - 似乎强烈地熟悉后Murphy Brownbut what a revelation Candice Bergen’s Jessica must have been in 1979. You can sense the tight-wire experiment here, though, and it’s a delight to witness Bergen pushing herself to discover ever greater heights of her own absurdity (especially in that brilliant seduction serenade). A deserving nomination from an endearing, peculiar mess of a movie.♥♥♥♥

Nathaniel R: What a bizarre role! I don’tquite知道是否遵循以“什么是性能!”。卑尔根毫不留情地讥讽了这种可怕的女人,还是仅仅唤起快感喜剧(这电影的需求)与残暴良好目的是什么?她可怕的歌声是最大的笑话,但她最好的双面伎俩,即提示我微幅下挫朝着更接近“什么表现!”,是devastasting开放bloused性感(“我怎么看?”)的防腐剂追逐性场面。她的热门单曲“比永远”肯定是骗人的!♥♥♥

读者写宏:“美丽的女人好线读卡器僵硬女演员。”- 罗布·B.(读者平均:♥♥½)

Actress earns 16½ ❤s

Synopsis: A precocious student is torn between studying in London and moving in with her much-older boyfriend in Manhattan.
统计: Then 18 years old, 2nd film, first and only nomination. 24 minutes of screen time (or 25% of the running time).

K.M. Soehnlein:伍迪的杰作在画外音开始,告诉us he’s “romanticized New York all out of proportion.” The same could be said of Tracy, the most emotionally well-adjusted 17-year-old ever. That doesn’t stop Hemingway from conveying the core truth of her character: she’s the only grown-up among all these stunted adults. I found myself wanting another film running parallel to this one, following Tracy through her days, a testament to how much life Hemingway breathed into this enchanting young woman.♥♥♥♥

Kristen Sales: Woody Allen announces Manhattan as a deeply romantic fantasy from the opening scene and the film largely succeeds or fails on the strength--the relatability, the believability--of Allen’s romantic fantasy object: Mariel Hemingway. Witness the justly famous final scene, when an 18-year old Hemingway talks Allen down from his “romanticized all out of proportion” heroism with the clear-eyed optimism and open-faced honesty that can only come from a girl who’s never been to Europe.♥♥♥♥

Bill Chambers: Hemingway's lack of stylization compared to her co-stars only looks more refreshing, even shocking, in the rearview, now that there's a prescribed methodology for acting in a Woody Allen film. Unfortunately, she can be so unaffected as to frequently seem as "cow-like and dim" as Peter Bogdanovich described her characterization of Dorothy Stratten, no matter how precocious her dialogue. I reckon Hemingway's performance is given too much credit based on the protective feelings a girl in Tracy's shoes inspires.♥♥

Brian Herrera: Viewed today,Manhattan似乎有先见之明冷冷地伍迪·艾伦的巨著 - 一个美观迷人又惊人地粲薄膜。只有朴实特雷西的和坦率的玛利尔海明威的特征似乎在某种程度上浮动令人毛骨悚然的渣土,能说会道的酸度和腐坏的过度复杂,推进所述薄膜之上。当阿伦的角色打破了麦蒂的心脏,海明威的生动漏洞破裂电影特有的,残酷的脱离。尽管如此,我们相信麦蒂会好起来的;这是艾伦我们不是很确定。就像我说的。先见之明。♥♥♥

Nathaniel R:在曼哈顿最令人心碎的一幕,麦蒂耳语“别来烦我”作为她的大情人以撒,谁刚刚甩了她,试图安慰她对倾倒。混杂的信息!和男孩没有麦蒂得到他们give them. Sort of. Hemingway doesn’t quite sell the teenage contradictions embedded in this masterpiece’s text but she more than perfectly captures (or embodies) that thrilling dangerous moment when youthful confidence peers down at messy adulthood… and promptly throws itself off the cliff in a hurry to get there.♥♥♥

读者写宏: "It would be too easy to turn the 17 year old woman in Isaac's life into either a bimbo or a naive waif. In fact, for a good portion of the movie, it seems as if Tracey will tip towards being the naive waif. However, Hemingway imbues her with a silent conviction that pays off in spades with the finale. " - Christopher (Reader average:♥♥♥)

Actress earns 19 ❤s

梅丽尔·斯特里普为“乔安娜克莱默”在Kramer vs. Kramer
Synopsis: A deeply unhappy mother leaves her only child to find herself. 18 Months later she seeks custody but finds her ex-husband a changed man.
统计: Then 30 yrs old, 5th film, 2nd nomination/1st win. 27½ minutes of screen time (or 26% of running time).

K.M. Soehnlein: From her iconic first close-up to her final tear-stained surrender, YOU CAN’T TAKE YOUR EYES OFF HER. I loved rediscovering pre-mannered Meryl: her sharp focus, careful physicality, and containment of emotions. Her testimony on the stand is a marvel of complexity: Joanna is rehearsed and strategic but also full of desperate feeling. We believe her even as we are forced by the film to root for her husband. Without Meryl, this battle of the sexes would have been a lopsided fight.♥♥♥♥♥

Kristen Sales: The opening shot of Meryl Streep looks like a Renaissance painting of the Madonna and child; Streep’s re-entrance in the film is a total horror movie cue: pressed up against a glass window, borderline stalker pose, eyes red-rimmed with angry tears like Kathleen Byron inBlack Narcissus.Streep balances Joanna’s crazed impulses with the steely conviction of a woman assured of her decision to leave but still desirous of the love she left behind.♥♥♥

Bill Chambers: Streep is often powerless, at this stage in her career, against narrative and camera strategies that would frame her character as the boogeyman, but much like her homophonic namesake Mariel, she is fortunate to have a final scene that leaves an endearing, indelible afterimage. Joanna's instantaneous thaw in the penultimate shot is magical, not the least for how Streep seems to startle herself with that gasp; she makes clear, in that moment, just how starved Joanna's been for kindness.♥♥♥♥

Brian Herrera: It’s a rare supporting actress turn that notches Oscar’s nomination (and win) in its first minutes, not its last. Meryl Streep’s work as Joanna (the wife and mother who decides to step away from those sacred roles and toward her independence) is revelatory, not simply of Streep’s formidable gift but of Joanna’s frailties. With every wordless wince, Streep conveys her character’s unscripted complexity, always reminding us that Joanna’s much more than that monster watching from the coffee shop window.♥♥♥♥♥

Nathaniel R: In a story full of uncommonly vivid emotional duels (ice cream / custody / deadlines) that are difficult to shake, one single image remains the stickiest - Joanna staring through a window watching her son, a ghost mother haunting the entire film after willful (figurative) suicide. It's the legend's first genius characterization and still one of her gutsiest, so forcefully claimed as to demand our sympathies, whatever the collateral damage, but never asking for the audiences love. Bonus points: those bookend scenes are an astonishing illustration of how to complete a character arc.♥♥♥♥♥

读者写宏: "Streep has been criticized for relying too heavily on craft and technique, but stripped of any artifice, as she is in this film, she skillfully manages to plumb the depths of Joanna's conflicting emotions making the actions of an unsympathetic character understandable. The Academy doesn't always recognize genius immediately, but with this performance they completely got it right." - Andrew (Reader average:♥♥♥♥½)

Actress earns 28½ ❤s

The Oscar Went To... Meryl Streep


Would you have chosen similarly?

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Yay for the return of the Smackdown!! And so much sharp, beautiful writing in these blurbs. Perfect Sunday brunch.

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家Nick Davis

尼克 - 高兴你喜欢。不能等到你回来,因为我总是希望自己的广告词呢!

2015年6月7日|注册的评论者NATHANIEL R

I think I'd rank them like this:

芭芭拉巴里 - 主要是为了弥补她出色的工作在1964年的一个马铃薯,马铃薯双错过提名,还因为她在一个男性主导的铸铁的佼佼者。

2.梅丽尔·斯特里普 - 是的,我知道我疯了不给奥斯卡梅丽尔,但我们并不总是必须给梅丽尔奥斯卡。如果她没有在1979年取得克莱默,你认为她会被提名曼哈顿?

3. Mariel Hemingway - The best part about Manhattan in terms of a performance, Hemingway was a revelation to me when I saw this at a way-too-young age. I was happy to know that the one character from this movie who got to me emotionally was the one who was rewarded with a nomination.

4.康迪斯卑尔根 - 我喜欢吃糖,我很高兴她是奥斯卡奖提名的人,但她有更大更好的东西为她在不太遥远的未来的职业生涯。从头开始是一个无害的ROM-COM,仍比大多数废话好多了,我们今天得到。

5. Jane Alexander - I miss Jane Alexander. Am I crazy to think she should have finally won her long-overdue Oscar for 1983's Testament? Of course, Shirley MacLaine's long-overdue Oscar came that year. But if we give MacLaine 1963's Oscar for Irma La Douce and give Patricia Neal 1968's Oscar for The Subject Was Roses, everyone is happy right?

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家Sean T.

Interesting. This was one of those years where the winner is a given and I was more interested in seeing how the rest stack up.
Watching the movies, I kind of thought Mariel and Barbara were miles ahead of Candice and Jane, so it's neat that each performance had enough fans and detractors on the panel (or, in Jane's case, down-the-middle ambivalence) to keep them just about even.

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2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家cal roth

Cal -- i thought about that while watching. We see her picture CONSTANTLY and everyone's headspace is caught up in her for the movie. It is very Hannibal like situation only... um... without the serial killing.

Mike -- yeah. the performance were divisive enough that i hope our podcast conversation is interesitng to everyone tonight.

肖恩笔 - 我从来没有见过一个土豆土豆两个,但很乐意。你是怎么看的呢?(似乎很难找到)

2015年6月7日|注册的评论者NATHANIEL R


2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家cal roth

Thanks so much everyone! A great project that keeps on giving.
I especially missed Nick in this one, though, because I remember he doesn't love Meryl's performance and would be interested in hearing his thoughts.


Streep is by far the winner here. No question. I'm in the minority, I guess, but I truly dislike Mariel Hemingway's performance in Manhattan. I think she's so dull and wooden.

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家Sad man

I enjoyed reading everyone's impressions. Is it just me or are characters today no longer this complicated? I re-watched Kramer a few months ago and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. It's a well made, entertaining and satisfying film. I still can't believe Streep started off in 3 best picture nominees in 3 years. Incredible combination of talent and good fortune. Thanks.

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家Sarah T

Starting Over would have been so boring without Candice Bergen! I think the Academy missed some big performances this year (Leland Palmer and Veronica Cartwright especially), but I'm glad she was included.



"I should have painted clouds."


A not unexpected nor unwelcome outcome and I'm happy to see the return of the Smackdown. All the actresses gave skillful performances but none had as complex a character to play as Meryl and she did it beautifully. Of the nominees she was the proper choice though mine for the year is the un-nominated Barbara Harris in The Seduction of Joe Tynan.


I love Alexander in KVK she easily sells the bak story

I was disappointed on research that Valerie Harper in Chapter Two,Leland Palmer in All that Jazz and Rachel Roberts in Yanks were not nominated,why do you think this was,thoughts Nat on those 3 in particular plus any other 79 near miss or snub.


a.k.a. "Rob B"

My contribution:

Meryl Streep: 5 hearts. Some of her acting tics are very apparent, upon retrospect, but still a devastating performance in the courtroom scenes. She and Dustin were very deserving.

Barbara Barrie: 4 hearts. "Character Actress in that 'once in a lifetime' role."

简亚历山大: 3 hearts. Good but some of those line readings in court are awful.

Candace Bergen: 2 hearts. I don't remember this movie much, but I can't imagine being that impressed with Miss Bergen. She's like Cybill Shepherd. Beautiful woman. Good line reader. Stiff actress.

玛利尔·海明威: 1 heart. I have absolutely no idea why she was nominated, unless it was for great beauty. Kristy McNichol or Tatum O'Neal or Diane Lane, for contemporaries, could have done so much more.




forever1267-- ohmygod. imagining Diane Lane in that right now and am stunned by the thought. She was such a good actor right out of the gate.

Mark -- we will adddress some of those people in the podcast.

Joel 6 -- i still have never seen that movie but I love Barbara Harris so i should.

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家NATHANIEL R

Yay!! Return of the smackdown! Cannot wait for the podcast too.



Nat, Eileen Brennan (R.I.P.) also recreated an Oscar-nominated role (in Private Benjamin) in a follow-up TV series in which she not only was Emmy nominated (several times) but actually *won* the Emmy for that role. It must be extremely rare though.

I agree that Meryl Streep is a co-lead in Kramer vs. Kramer for basically all of the aforementioned reasons. Isn't the film a *three-hander* though? I think a case could be made for Justin Henry being nominated for Best Actor, too, although of course that never was going to happen.




我来得太晚了 - 但这里有云:
Barbara Barrie: It's amazing the academy even noticed her performance, given how it's undermined by the abrupt editing that cuts short her best scenes. The genial feeling for the film swept her along with the other nominations. It's sheer feel goodness secured it's BP nomination and the original screenplay has many wonderful moments. Barrie offers great support for Paul Dooley's performance. She's the wise, patient go-between, offering insight into the two men for whom she makes a home. I wish the editing/screenplay hadn't cut short Barrie's impressive ability to suggest an equally compelling story beyond her husband's and son's. 2 hearts

Candice Bergen: She's not offering support here, as there's nothing to support. That she and Jill Clayburgh managed nominations acting opposite a barely there Burt Reynolds, attests to their skills. She creates a near comic masterpiece of a performance on her own. Take her scenes on their own and it's like a short film about the delusions of a near middle-aged woman, with a complete lack of connection to those around her. Better Than Ever, indeed. 3 hearts

马里埃尔海明威:我回顾th失望is film. Full of dizzy, neurotic, aggressively vengeful and self aggrandizing people, Tracy is truly a respite from the adults who dismiss her because she's a child. And that is due to the completely open and natural performance of Hemingway. When she says “Not everybody gets corrupted”, you pray it will be true for her. This performance still is touching and natural despite the current view of the creepy relationship she's involved in. 4 hearts

简亚历山大: Another warm, witty, wise character from Jane Alexander during her brief time in the academy's favor. It's too bad she now plays judges in various TV courtroom dramas. She gives true support to Dustin Hoffman as Ted Kramer softens his strident, belligerent character traits. Too bad she didn't have any scenes with Meryl Streep, to deepen our understanding of her side in the movie's battle. I kind of wished the Kramers would die, so Billy could be raised by Margaret. 3 hearts

Meryl Streep: I appreciate this performance more after seeing it again. I've never understood the appeal of this film and the academy's generosity to it. Meryl Streep's performance disguises the fact that there's really no story connected to Joanna Kramer. The depth of her feelings of anguish and guilt are all there in her performance, filled in by her. They're not in the screenplay. She shows that she would become a master at creating more character than may be apparent in the material she's given to play. 4 hearts


I'm in agreement with those not feeling Mariel's performance. It bugged me when I first saw the movie and I still can't get excited about it.

Yeah, Meryl...::sigh:: 1976-1983 were very good years.

Barbara Barrie has always been more of a stage actress than a film or TV actress in my book, even though she's enjoyed a long and lucrative career on the small screen. She will go down in history as originating the role of Sarah inCompany和in 2014 received an Outer Critics Circle nomination forI Remember Mamaat the Gym at Judson.


这使得我的星期天。这真是愉快的reading the Smackdowner's comments--Streep's are especially fascinating and salient. My favorite moment in that performance comes in the courtroom scene, when she's asked if Ted has had extramarital affairs. Her flicker of amusement before she replies "No" is an early example of how imaginative she is as an actress; you can tell by that expression that Billy had told Joanna about Ted's one-night-stand and his comically innocent non-sequitur ("Do you like fried chicken?") (Maybe it was Robert Benton who created that backstory for her and directed her to reveal that in the moment, but I'm thinking it was Streep, because she's usually this creative in pretty much all her roles.)

Side note: I'm one movie away from seeing all the performances nominated for Best Supporting Actress. Does anybody have any idea where I could find a copy of "The Bachelor Party" (1957)? Carolyn Jones' entire six-minute performance is on Youtube, but not the movie itself, and I want to see the whole thing. Sometimes the film surfaces on TCM, but it's too expensive to change my cable subscription, and Internet searches haven't yielded anything. I'd appreciate any ideas!


holy mackerel did Meryl deserve this win! such an amazing performance and truly fascinating character. When she tells ted that one day she'll jump right out the window, it stops you in your tracks and makes you wanna know more about this woman.

i'm also in the camp of not understanding the praise for mariel hemingway. and now i really want to see what diane lane would've done with tracy. (great suggestion forever1267!)

thanks for another amazing smackdown! and if anyone's interested i posted my own ballot on mywebsite



I haven't seen Starting Over

4. Hemingway-她不听起来像一个真正的17岁,而是17岁被迫做在高中打球的作用。善意的期望,我们有朱迪·福斯特像阿伦本来想。

3. Barrie-的部分是不是非常有趣,但巴里确实尝试打开它的头这一刻板印象的角色。

2. Streep- Streep is able to spin her straw of a part into gold, but only so much.

1. Alexander- My vote. Their scene on the park bench when he asks if she would take her husband back is so real. I believe these two people would actually have this conversation. Alexander doesn't allow her character to quickly fall in love with Ted, instead she becomes his friend and confidante and he hers. This was the most interesting part of the movie for me because most films would have them jumping into the sack. Their platonic relationship out of necessity was fascinating and watching Alexander do this was Hoffman was wonderful.


Candice Bergen was fun to watch, but in my opinion it was no way an Academy award nomination worthy performance. I think her best scene is her last scene in supermarket, her reaction there is superb, but still far from outstanding. Im still amazed she (and Jill) managed nominations for that movie, for that role, cause there were many more deserving performances in academy friendlier movies. i used to think 4 hearts, but since she ws nominated its 3.5 stars

玛利尔·海明威was ok, but also nothing spectacular. She was so sweet, yet so wooden at times. 3.5 hearts

It was a long since i saw KVK and i havent seen BReaking away


Nat please discuss Cartwriht in Alien and Harper in Chapter Two on the podcast.


Thanks for another really enjoyable Smackdown. I haven't seen Chapter Two, and saw Breaking Away a long time ago and would need to see it again to comment on Barbara Barrie's performance, but I like the other three performances very much. I'd never quite thought of Jane Alexander's role as changing from scene to scene but now that it's been pointed out, that seems right - but she's still giving a very good performance in the role. Streep is great in her role (leading? supporting? It can be argued both ways). And I am a big fan of Hemingway in Manhattan. The film is perhaps the only overrated film in Woody's filmography - it's misanthropic and the protagonists are often irritating and I'm not even sure the film is even 'about' anything particularly clear...but Hemingway is terrific. The break-up scene in particular showcases why her work here is so special.

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家Edward L.

I appreciate everyone's opinion, but really no contest. You cannot take your eyes off Streep in this film. Plus, as mentioned, extra points for writing her own courtroom scene.


So happy the Smackdown is back again! My choice is definitely Streep, though Alexander, Hemingway, and Barrie (love her in that seduction scene) all have their moments as well. I couldn't connect with Starting Over at all. Burt Reynolds was so...nothing and Jill Clayburgh, felt to me like she was playing Annie Hall's boring sister that everyone forgets about. At least when Bergen was onscreen the movie livened up a bit but it was nothing I would've nominated her for.


This one was a done deal. I'm surprised that Barbara Barrie got more hearts than Alexander and Bergen.

StinkyLulu covered so many great races. So sad that I missed them. Can't believe Anjelica Huston lost!

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家Peggy Sue

玛利尔·海明威was far and away the best supporting actress that year.


My memory of these performances: Hemingway and Streep are lights-out good, Barrie fleshes out a tiny role in a wonderful way, and ... Alexander was the Kramers' neighbor (I really remember nothing about this character/performance). I still haven't seen Starting Over.


Streep > Alexander > Hemingway (Never seen Breaking Away and Starting Over)

@Sean T. - um, No. If it had been like that, Babs would never be an Oscar-winning actress. It would've been better if they gave Liz Taylor's first win to McLaine.




Shirley MacLaine most definitely should've won for The Apartment. I don't begrudge her win for Terms of Enderment though, except to say that I wish it could've been a co-win (with Debra Winger) as those two performances are every bit each other's equal and a real pas de deux in the way of Thelma and Louise, Amadeus and Salieri, and Ennis and Jack.


MAKE一定要听THE PODCAST, people. We go way more in detail on the movies, particularly Kramer vs. Kramer and some ladies we wish would have been recognized in this category.

2015年6月7日|注册的评论者NATHANIEL R

Nathaniel, I watched One Potato, Two Potato on VHS recorded from The Movie Channel. It probably aired in the late '80s or early '90s, and I actually still have the tape.


@fadhil - 这不是一个糟糕的交易。可是你知道乔安妮·伍德沃德在雷切尔,雷切尔?

@Suzanne - MacLaine did truly embody Aurora Greenwood and she completely took charge of that movie. It's tough to compare such great performances, but it's certainly fun to discuss them.

2015年6月7日|未注册的批评家Sean T.

i thought manhattan was a great movie and everything but i have no idea why mariel hemingway's performance is praised. what people thought was guilelessness or innocence was some sort of mental deficiency.

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June 8, 2015 |未注册的批评家Gab

没见过大多数这些表演,但我真的,真的不喜欢强烈玛利尔海明威的性能在曼哈顿(如果你甚至可以调用它的)。她看起来和听起来就像她在糖蜜池 - 一切都是缓慢而痛苦和affectless,而不是一个好办法。她提供没有洞察到的所有字符。这将是很好,如果伍迪的人物说她的东西都应该是胜负的不真实,但这些事情都是由她的事情说呼应,并在海明威的手,我只是不相信他们。我不明白,这样的表现获得AT各界的一致好评。

June 8, 2015 |未注册的批评家denny

What a fantastic smackdown! This is a fascinating mix of actresses here. I miss the 70s so much--it just seemed like there were more wild cards in the AMPAS choices then. Now I'm going to listen to the podcast.

June 8, 2015 |未注册的批评家brookesboy

我很喜欢这种性能,我想简得到它just right in some really strong scenes. But I don’t think she’s able to completely overcome the sense that this cardboard character is a blatant, maybe-too-obvious catalyst for Ted’s introduction to the Age of Enlightenment. Also, to me this feels like a coattail nomination. The picture was so well-loved by both the Academy and the public that it felt appropriate to invite Jane to the Big Party too. This reminds me of Amy Adams’ nomination for Doubt. It’s not bad, it’s just not completely deserved. Still, that courtroom scene is a doozy.

If there’s anyone who can breathe life into the tired cliché of quiet strength, it’s Barbara Barrie. I thank her for taking on the thankless “nice mom” role and easily creating a warm presence that permeates this movie. Still, she doesn’t really get much of an arc to build to any strong emotional crescendo. Evelyn is there to keep peace in the house and pie in the oven. Barrie doesn’t get that Oscary-type, punch-‘em-in-the-gut scene actresses in this category usually get. Hell, she doesn’t get more than a handful of 30 second-plus scenes. As such, this nomination is in keeping with the staid tradition of the obligatory single acting nod afforded a Best Picture nominee. But Barrie is ineffably likeable here, and that’s a lovely intangible.



玛利尔·海明威in Manhattan—FOUR HEARTS
This is a quiet, calm character who manages to stand out among all the jittery, chatty neurotics surrounding her. Tracy, with her strong sense of self-assurance, comes off as more mature than the so-called adults who are continually making bad choices right and left. Mariel delivers her dialog deliberately, as if she’s actually thinking about what she’s saying, as opposed to the film’s other characters, who seem to be sputtering any random thoughts that spill out of their hyperactive brains. Her last scene’s poignancy derives from her complete lack of affectation. Her skillful underplaying is either supremely confident acting, or a newcomer’s simple, direct approach. It might be both, but it pays off wonderfully. Especially as she delivers the film’s most memorable line.

Meryl Streep in Kramer vs. Kramer—FIVE HEARTS
First things first: Here, Meryl seduces America.There was no else in this group who stood a chance against her cultural onslaught, her hurricane talent. This could be one of my favorite performances of hers, because the emotion is so truthful without all the rankling fussiness that marked some of her later work. Her naturalism as Joanna feels like a departure before the fact from the actress we’ve seen all these years. There’s a purity of performance here that pretty much disappeared after Silkwood. Sure, she’s Meryl, so of course her talent is supernatural. Still, it shouldn’t have to scare us. And here, it doesn’t. But it is scary how good she is. And the legend begins.

****Meryl is my winner, but my choice for Oscar that year is Barbara Harris, Meryl’s co-star in The Seduction of Joe Tynan.

June 8, 2015 |未注册的批评家brookesboy


I love the Smackdown and look forward to the next one.

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Bergin - 1 heart - Such a weird performance for admittedly a weird part. It's never clear if we're supposed to think she's talented or not, because good Lord that talented actress just cannot sing so it's hard to believe that she becomes successful. But then she's...not? It seems the script just needs her to be talented/successful or not depending on the scene. And her physicality was SO stiff to the point of seeming frozen. It all added up to just plain confusion.

Barrie - 2 hearts - In another comment thread I believe someone mentioned that Alexander is the Jackie Weaver nomination this year, but for me Barrie is clearly that slot. A small supporting wife role in a Best Pic nominee, she has very little to do. She does it well, but even when she finally gets a scene to say more than one line the film apparently cuts her off as she's about to say something! Such a weird edit.

Hemingway - 3 hearts - Fine, natural, low-key enough to see how a delusional older man woudl not feel threatened by her and could project whatever he wanted her.

Alexander - 3 hearts - A lot to balance, including shifting alliances and a friendship that has to remain platonic, she does it well, making it all seem effortless.

Streep - 4 hearts - So refreshing to see a relatively focused, un-flittery (yep, I'm just going to throw that word out there) performance from her. So simple and yet so layered.

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June 10, 2015 |未注册的批评家NewMoonSon

我还奖,为纯粹的watchability斯特里普。At this stage in her career the camera loved her. But the flick, which I rewatched an hour ago (thanks to the fantastic podcast; thanks, guys!), is a step above TV movie. I didn't believe for a second -- not a second -- in her abrupt final decision. It's a cheap script moment for which the fraudulent courtroom scene has prepared the audience. Lots of stuff in this movie felt like kitsch. Why couldn't Kramer have surprised the audience and been an adequate chef? Why reverse the embarrassing Hepburn with the cigar scene inWoman of the Year? As for Hoffman, I much prefer him when he's playing an ass, indifferent to audience expectations (e.g. All The President's Men, Straight Time, Tootsie).

June 10, 2015 |未注册的批评家Alfred