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亲爱的读者们:Last week I asked for more reader questions but since three of them at least were about Leonardo DiCaprio let's get them all out of the way as an appetizer to the main Q&A post.Ready...我们开始吧。

LADY EDITH: Now that you have experienced the "Jonas blizzard"so recently how do you feel about giving "The Revenant"Oscars?亚博主页[More]

a) Less inclined -snow wasn't so bad,I don't understand what Leo's complaining about.
b) More inclined - snow was terrible and I can't imagine dealing with the cold.

NATHANIEL: The cold never bothered me anyway...Ilovewinter.Total winter-lover / summer-hater here!If we had to give people Oscars based on how hard it was to make a movie,亚博主页wouldn't everyone's assistants and underlings in Hollywood have Oscars instead of the stars and directors themselves?亚博主页所以,"less inclined".

Wait,你能说“不那么倾向”吗?when you were never inclined at all?

STEPH: Nathaniel,like you,I am a huge fan/defender of泰坦尼克号but I don't know how you feel about DiCaprio's performance in it...

Now that DiCaprio insists on playing these tortured widowers,I'm ever more grateful that James Cameron avoided all that angst and got a charming/romantic performance out of him.My question is: do you love the performance,do you think it should have been nominated in 1997,and do you think DiCaprio should have won for it?

NATHANIEL: I don't know how to answer this.Crazylove很奇怪吗泰坦尼克号but not think Leo & Kate were worthy of nominations?I love them together but Best Acting seems to be stretching it.My nominations that yearmight have gone something like so...with Leo & Kate near but not in each field.

ACTRESS: Helena Bonham Carter (Wings of the Dove- winner);Judi Dench (Mrs Brown);Jodie Foster(联系人);Julia Roberts (My Best Friend's Wedding);朱莉·克里斯蒂(余辉),或者帕姆·格里尔(杰基·布朗),或者小维克托·蒂维索尔(波内特),我以前肯定有过,但我对用如此出色的表演来表扬孩子有点犹豫。And she was only 4.
ACTOR: Russell Crowe (LA Confidential);Christopher Guest (Waiting for Guffman);约翰尼·德普(Donnie Brasco);Ian Holm (The Sweet Hereafter -winner);and either Matt Damon (Good Will Hunting),Al Pacino (Donnie Brasco) or Linus Roache (Wings of the Dove)

MARTIN: If the Revenant had been made in 1985,who do you think would have played Leo's character?汤姆·哈迪的性格呢?我当然知道这要看是谁导演的,and I know it's a weird question anyway but I'm very curious to know who you'd pick!

NATHANIEL: You know what's even weirder than the question: It's that the only possible answer is Mel Gibson!和那是weird to say since Tom Hardy is in this and also playing Mad Max and 1985 is the last time that Gibson played that particular road warrior.But Gibson would have obviously been all up in this masochist machismo brutality.And for his director I think if the soulful Peter Weir directed it it might have even had the spiritual heft that Inarritu thinks he's given it but which it's totally missing.我已经很喜欢这部时间旅行电影了The Revenant.

Gibson used to love to be tortured and martyred onscreen and/or seek brutal revenge.And he was still at the peak of his beauty and powers in the mid 80s;那个疯子还没有接管他,也没有使他变老,尽管它可能已经以某种形式存在了。The Tom Hardy role is trickier.Who was less A list than Gibson in the mid 80s and could successfully sell such a OTT villain and hold their own with him?我想说瓦尔·基尔默顶枪或者迈克尔·基顿Mr MomandBeetlejuicebecause it might be cheating to say Kurt Russell (my top choice) since we already know he'd prove to have great antagonistic chemistry with Gibson via their war over La Pfeiffer inTequila Sunrise(1988年)。What'cha think?


Would you have nominated Leo for Titanic (1997).你怎么会在20世纪80年代给报税人……or the 1990s?


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罗素·克劳和盖伊·皮尔斯,both in either role.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter保罗·奥罗

My 97 Actor Ballet



Bonham Carter

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commentermark

You would take away Kate's Titanic nomination?Ultimate Shade I thought you loved her :-))))

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterRami

Thanks Nathaniel for answering my question and showing that you are a true Nordic loving person.(in all respects)"Less inclined"was the right answer.

As for this 1985 version of The Revenant,directed by Peter Weir,and staring Mel Gibson (pre Crazy) I'm all for it.威尔给了我们一个美妙的“大师和指挥官”和“加利波利”这就是他的领地。对于汤姆·哈代(Tom Hardy)的部分——其他替代品——布鲁斯·德恩(Bruce Dern)、约翰·马尔科维奇(John Malkovich)。Christopher Walken,Australian Bryan Brown?
Kurt Russell was so good in "The Thing"I think he can't be beat.

What about substituting Mel Gibson for Jeff Bridges?- considering what he later did in True Grit he may have been great for the lead.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterLadyEdith

oops - that question should read: What about substituting Jeff Bridges for Mel Gibson (Leo's part)?

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterLadyEdith

For the Tom Hardy role?Bruce Campbell before Evil Dead 2.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter瓦基亚

1997年最佳男主角:我完全同意莱纳斯·罗奇。He should have got a nomination.他在鸽子翅膀上很突出。As are HBC and Allison Elliott.多棒的一部电影(以及一部伟大小说的精彩改编)。

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterEdward L.


February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter保罗·奥罗

80年代或90年代,for the record,on that suggestion.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter瓦基亚

所以,maybe after Army of Darkness instead of before Evil Dead 2.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter瓦基亚

Christie did not deserve her nomination for Afterglow.温丝莱特因长期支持卡梅伦而获得提名。

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter/3rtful

@Paul Outlaw - sorry I missed the 90's option - of course Pearce & Crowe for the 90's are great -
@Volvagia - I really like Bruce Campbell & he'd be great too.


February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterLadyEdith

彼得·威尔在80年代,Edward Zwick in the '90s.

当然,it's fun to think about the 1945 (Henry Fonda and Humphrey Bogart,directed by John Ford) and 1975 (Clint Eastwood and Bruce Dern,directed by Sam Peckinpah) versions ofThe Revenant,too.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter保罗·奥罗

Paul Outlaw: Ew.Zwick never!Zwick never!Branagh for the 90s.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter瓦基亚

Oh - I think I would skip the Sam Peckinpah version,maybe a David Lean or John Boorman version.(no shade meant,just my preference.)
@Martin - we should thank you for giving us such a fun question - well done!

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterLadyEdith


- Matt Damon (Good Will Hunting)
- Russell Crowe (L.A.Comfidential)
- Ben Affleck (Chasing Amy) ---- Stop laughing,I think it's his best performance ever!
-杰克·尼科尔森(尽可能好)——不要杀我,I know it's an unpopular thought in these parts but I really love that performance

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterBensunce

@ LadyEdith & Volvagia

Choosing Zwick and Peckinpah is probably a hint as to how I feel about the material...

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter保罗·奥罗


John Cusack,Grosse Pointe Blank (A-) (Mmm,嗯)-获胜者。
Aaron Eckhart,In the Company of Men (A-) (He can be charming,但当艾克哈特被允许把鲨鱼放出来的时候,他正处于最佳状态。The only two times that's really happened are this and that ending segment of The Dark Knight.它们都很漂亮。)-银色
Mark Wahlberg,Boogie Nights (Of course.) (A) - Bronze
格雷格·金尼尔,As Good as It Gets (B+) (Yes,我认为他是一个共同领导。Yes,I know some might call that kind of generous.) - 4th
Samuel L.杰克逊,Jackie Brown (A) (I know,我知道,这需要有“大”的品味acting.) - 5th

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter瓦基亚

I don't really feel like compiling a full Best Actor list for 1997,but I just want to say that I would have fully supported a nomination for Christopher Guest inWaiting for Guffman,which is comedic perfection.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterEdwin

Bensunce: I won't kill you.我也喜欢他!

Volvagia: Samuel L.Jackson is fab in Jackie Brown.And I agree,big - but subtle too.尤其是当电影接近尾声时。至于金尼尔,I can see what you mean.Like Broadcast News,it's a James L.布鲁克斯的电影,arguably,three leads.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterEdward L.

Bensunce: I'd definitely put it in the Top 5,but Dogma is my choice for his absolute peak.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter瓦基亚

It's very sly how you just divert off Leo and start talking about other actors.I don't mind him.I have liked him from This Boy's Life to The Departed.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterJono

这是我和利奥的事。I think he's capable of being a terrific,当他允许自己成为一个有魅力的电影明星时。I feel like Titanic is the best and worst thing that ever happened to him.It's a great movie star performance,but it made him into a heart throb teen idol.我觉得这让他很不舒服,and he's been running away from it ever since.There's incredible value to being a movie star.It's not something that can be taught,and some of the greatest screen performances of all time have come from movie stars playing with or playing up their movie star personas.But Leo has been trying to be Daniel Day Lewis for decades now,and he's just not a natural character actor.It always comes off hammy.I can see the ACTING,instead of it being a transformation.I worry giving him a statue for The Revenant will encourage his worst instincts and discourage him from being appealing on screen.I almost wish he could've gotten it for Wolf of Wall Street in which he at least allowed himself to seem charismatic and not covered in filth.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenterwill h

在重新观看了《疯狂的麦克斯》的原版之后,我完全同意梅尔扮演利奥的角色。Talk about a revenge movie!Of course I couldn't go past Peter Weir as director and to make it an all Aussie affair,I'd say give Bryan Brown a go.And while we are at it lets set it in the outback ;)

February 2,2016 | Unregistered Commenter乔安妮

@Nathaniel: For some reason,我以为你对克里斯托弗·盖斯特在《等待格夫曼》中的表现很着迷。and that Thivisol was your 2nd place (??)

很高兴你喜欢福斯特和罗伯茨。They are both phenomenal in "Contact"and "My Best Friend's Wedding,"respectively.

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterBVR

BVR --- I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT WAITING FOR GUFFMAN !!!Of course he'd been in my lineup and maybe even my winner

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterNATHANIEL R

My lead acting lineups for 1997 would probably look something like this...

Peter Fonda - Ulee's Gold
Dustin Hoffman - Wag the Dog
*Kevin Kline - In & Out
Jack Nicholson - As Good As It Gets
Al Pacino - Donnie Brasco

Judi Dench - Mrs.Brown
Helen Hunt - As Good As It Gets
Julia Roberts - My Best Friend's Wedding

As for a 1985 version of The Revenant,I'm all for the idea of casting Mel Gibson in the Leonardo DiCaprio role.我们和埃里克·罗伯茨一起去汤姆·哈迪那儿怎么样?He was Oscar-nominated for the movie Runaway Train just that year and he was fresh off probably his best performance ever in 1984's The Pope of Greenwich Village.

If we did a 1995 version?Jim Jarmusch made a movie called Dead Man with Johnny Depp and Lance Henriksen that reminds me of The Revenant.贾马斯克的黑白,老实说,《摇滚西部》是一部更好的电影。But if we're really going to recast The Revenant with big names of the era?Maybe if Kevin Costner gets the DiCaprio role we might live in a universe without Waterworld.I'd go with Brad Pitt in the Tom Hardy part since he was getting his first Oscar nomination courtesy of Twelve Monkeys that year.Then maybe Bruce Willis should take Leo's role?

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterSean Troutman

I would absolutely have given Leo a nomination for the Titanic and likely would have been considering him for the win.I'm always a sucker for on-screen charisma and,within my lifetime,Leo in Titanic is the embodiment of that...

这就是为什么我对他作为一个演员几乎没有兴趣的原因。In the past 18 years,he has gone from one of the most charming leading men of all time to an absolutely morose black hole of an actor from which joy,once it has passed his event horizon,cannot ever hope to escape.And saddest to me,he seemingly takes these devastated man roles in order to "stretch"himself as an actor.If you ask me,what's the number one thing he could do to challenge himself?再做一次喜剧或至少是轻松愉快的事情。

(In fairness to Leo,I guess The Wolf of Wall Street might count as a comedy,but even that was pretty darn bleak.)

February 2,2016 | Unregistered CommenterEvan

Aww thanks for answering my question,Nathaniel!:)上帝,吉布森/罗素选择马丁的问题是如此的恰当。

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterSteph Bello

Thank you for answering my question!Glad to see the positive response and I think Gibson/Russell/Weir are all great choices,Eric Roberts as well.This is something I do often for fun- recasting recent movies several decades earlier.I like to find actors that were the same age that the movie's actors were that year (and if possible,of similar popularity).所以我想到了迈克尔·道格拉斯扮演狮子座的角色,山姆·尼尔(或凯文·克莱恩)扮演汤姆·哈迪的角色,hehe.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterMartin

Anyone want to join me in a full-throated unapologetic roar of support for Leo?我是说整个职业生涯?

不,他在角色的各个方面(飞行员)并不总是完美的;and yeah,he's sometimes not good at all (Gatsby);but damn,当他真的在时,he's great.I wish he'd won his Oscar for The Departed (still don't understand why they nominated him that year for Blood Diamond),and barring that for Wolf of Wall Street (sorry,McConnaughey,you should have gotten the Emmy for True Detective instead).

I will be cheering loudly if he finally gets his on Oscar night.Who's with me?Anyone?

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commenter骗子

@LadyEdith: "do we all agree that Peter Weir is the director of choice?"

While Peter Weir would be my preference,I think Roland Joffe is more likely to direct The Revenant in the 1980s.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterBrevity

真奇怪,I was just talking about an 80s Revenant the other day.The casting we came up with was William Hurt as Leo and Jeff Bridges as Hardy (with Eric Roberts as a second choice).We didn't talk about the director but now Nat has mentioned it,Petrr Weir is clearly the only choice.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterThe Jack

@Hustler,I cheered when Bryan Cranston pulled off that upset over McConaughey at the Emmys (a rare example of the voters choosing quality over star-fucking) and I would have cheered even harder had DiCaprio also defeated McConaughey at the Oscars.亚博主页I'm one of those people who's OK with McConaughey not winning anything unless of course it was a Supporting Oscar for Magic Mike...the one time in the McConaissance when he was actually transcendent and of course that's when they didn't even nominate him.

至于利奥,I would've nominated him for Departed over Blood Diamond,snubbed him for Revenant,kept his other nominations,and added additional nods for Titanic and Catch Me If You Can.I'm with Nathaniel in wishing that Leo would lose this masculinist/dread rut he's in -- and he's not always good -- but there are four performances I feel could've deservingly won the Oscar: What's Eating Gilbert Grape,Catch Me If You Can,The Departed,and The Wolf of Wall Street.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterSteph Bello

I don't understand the loathing that the writers here have of DiCaprio.我觉得他很好。他应该得到泰坦尼克号的提名吗?不,I think he was miscast.I never believed him Jack Dawson.In my opinion,it should have been someone more rugged,less handsome.As for The Revenant,I look forward to seeing it,as parts of it were filmed less than 15 kms from where I live.I am surprised no one has compared it to the brutality of the 1991 movie Black Robe.因为那是一部加拿大电影,probably few have seen it.But I would urge everyone to check it out.In my opinion,it should have been nominated for numerous Oscars.亚博主页Black Robe is sort of a "Dances With Wolves",但是有牙齿。

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterRJL

Am I the only one who thinks is just great as Gatsby and he should go for moviestar roles?He's so handsome with the right suit,他看起来很棒,所以我希望当他赢得奥斯卡的时候,这种德格拉姆的趋势就结束了。

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commentercal roth

I think he's fantastic and super charming in Titanic,but that doesn't mean I would have nominated him.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commenter佩吉苏

Count me as a whole-hearted Leo fan.虽然我并不总是喜欢他的电影(例如,我真的很讨厌飞行员),但我欣赏并赞赏他的表演。Weirdly,seen all but 2,and about 10 are Oscar-worthy.His personal life,though--his entourage,young models,vaping-- meh.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commenter聚丙烯酰胺

RJL -- how is it "loathing"to say I like him in TITANIC but wouldn't nominate him?我只是觉得那一年有5场更好的演出。I like his early work a lot from This Boy's Life through Catch Me If You Can.到了2002年以后,我通常会遇到一些问题。That's when all the misery and self-importance took over.

February 3,2016 | Registered CommenterNATHANIEL R

LOL @ all the love for Julia Roberts in My Best Friend's Wedding.Really guys??!

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterDAVID

I think Evan has it spot on.利奥是个电影明星而不是演员。他永远都不会做傻子,but his desire to be taken seriously has built him a career of ho hum work.
I would compare him to Robert Redford,who also tried Gatsby ( with only slightly better results).Redford kept on being a movie star and found great roles throughout his career.The Sundance Kid,The Sting,所有的总统先生,Brubaker,The Natural.Where is Leo's Out of Africa?雷德福的奥斯卡是导演。Maybe if Leo wins this year,he can move on to build a memorable career.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterLeslie19

Argh!I read this blog every day - how did I miss the post where you ask for questions the one time I finally had some questions to ask?Darnit.

I actually liked Leo in Gatsby.I was surprised and impressed at how much he committed to Gatsby's prissiness,a quality I'd think most male movie stars would eschew for coming off too effete and,frankly,gay.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterDJDeeJay

我们能有一个鸽子周的翅膀吗?I would just faint!One of my favorite films.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterDerrick Austin

I agree,there was no need to nominate Leo for Titanic.He probably elevated a character that could have been absolutely unwatchable,根据卡梅伦的剧本,but it's not enough.

Russell Crowe should have won for LA Conf.Pearce should have been nommed as well.

Leo,on the other hand,should have been nominated for Catch Me if You Can and Revolutionary Road.

And he should have won for Gilbert Grape and WOWS.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterGena

And also for Django Unchained:)

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterGena

Cal and DeeJayDJ - I too love DiCaprio in The Great Gatsby!

Re: Best Actor 1997
With all the talk of As Good As It Gets being a 3-Lead Film,and of Grier and Jackson?没有人认为福斯特是杰基·布朗的主角吗?I do and he makes my Top 5...

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commenterkermit_the_frog

kermit: There was a point at which I did consider Forster a co-lead,but a rewatch all but confirmed I must have been out of my mind.他的角色实际上只比丹尼罗的稍大一点。

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commenter瓦基亚

伏尔瓦吉亚-那我需要重新观看!Only saw it (most recently) last year,but remember thinking that Forster and Jackson had similar screentime and equally drove the plot!Either Grier was sole Leading (tenuous as she's absent more than you'd imagine) or all 3 are Lead.我会相应地检查和修改我的图表!

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commenterkermit_the_frog

Enjoying the Wings of The Dove love.It really is a great film,which I find quite devastating.It baffles me when people say Judi Dench should have won for Mrs Brown because to me it's just her sitting on a horse in Victoria's clothes.她完全没有表现出这个性格。

Helena Bonham Carter's performance is brittle and cynical yet mournful and heart-rending at the end when she realizes that he loves the dead woman more then her.It's a bit like Judy near the end of Vertigo.In the last scene it's like Helena just acts with her thighs!

February 3,2016 | Unregistered CommenterRobMiles

Agree that Leo should have won for Gilbert Grape.I think it's still his best performance.

February 3,2016 | Unregistered Commenter比格斯

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