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你说约德尼罗?你说约德尼罗?

It's a performance episode of "Contrarian Corner". Here's Ben Miller...

叙事一直推。罗伯特·德尼罗又回来了!阿尔·帕西诺又回来了!斯科塞斯和Netflix是天造地设的一对!The Irishmanis the最佳影片frontrunner.我不是在这里与备受好评disagre。但是,我们需要有一个说说这是怎么回事与罗伯特·德尼罗。

There are three main problems...


    1.每个人都知道年轻的罗伯特·德尼罗是应该看起来像

    大部分The Irishman发生在25年的跨度。影片的第一幕利用数字技术去岁德尼罗,乔·佩西和阿尔·帕西诺。虽然派西和帕西诺是去岁到相对正常水平,(帕西诺从79到49,双鱼座从76到52),德尼罗应该是在他的早期到30年代中期的弗兰克·希兰从他目前的76岁。

    The biggest problem is De Niro doesn’t give you a break. He is present in nearly every minute of the film of the first act and you can’t help but相信他是在他30多岁。

    罗伯特·德尼罗在斯科塞斯的一个大的方式在现场来了穷街陋巷作为一个实际的30岁。他花了他30多岁以及在公众的视线与经典的字符串,从教父IIall the way through喜剧之王当他是40.是什么德尼罗是应该看起来像30多岁一个良好的先例建立。

    Even with the smoothed-faced De Niro, it doesn’t evoke the same feeling of 1970s-80s De Niro. Below is De Niro at 33 inTaxi Driver,并在它旁边是德尼罗,从早期的场景The Irishman

    The Irishman德尼罗看起来像一个老家伙试图行动年轻。他不显得年轻,它并没有帮助,德尼罗已经通过整个第一幕永久的怒容。

    当谈到青年2.肢体语言事项

      你知道其他的一件大事Taxi DriverDe Niro? He looked like this:

      我不在乎你是作为一个年逾古稀如何运动,你就是不喜欢运动的人在30多岁。重新观看场面,希兰在女儿面前击败了杂货店。它看起来像比76岁的男子其他什么吗?

      我会告诉你另外一件事。The Irishman真正踢了一个缺口,当希兰年龄的进步,并在他的五十年代。


      Look at this guy:

      许多更好。不仅他的脸看起来更沿lines of what age his character should be, De Niro’s performance suits the age. The first hour of the film is like a well-tailored suit that is three-sizes too small. When we reach the second act, the suit is still one-half size too small, but it looks great and feels so much better on the wearer.

      3.德尼罗一直没有在世界上最好的演员在很长一段时间

        前两个多小时The Irishman功能希兰闲聊连霸,开着卡车,执行歹徒的职责,最终命中表示歹徒。在这期间,他提出的行列,因为......为什么?或许,感召力和魅力,但德尼罗扮演了恰恰都不是。

        已经有大量的历史爱好者谴责一些事件的电影的portrays的历史准确性,但我会告诉你最不可思议的部分。当我们见面希兰,他已经结婚,已经有一群孩子。然后,他遇到他离开自己的妻子,并最终结婚的人一间餐厅女服务员。任何事情没有什么,我们已经看到弗兰克让我们相信他比机器人的任何其他。他几乎没有个性。所有弗兰克确实是他的闪现怪异的笑容,就是这样。

        有德尼罗的传统的捍卫者,我绝对其中之一。他在表演Taxi Driver是电影史上最伟大的男性表演中。但是,自1999年和2000年,其中德尼罗过一回,到后端的Analyze ThisandMeet the Parents,俯身到喜剧中一种新的方式,他并没有被艺术的挑战。未来十年每一部电影拒绝挑战的演员,他给了越来越中等表演。如果你想有一个最近的例子,那没有比他的表现滑稽角色just a few short months ago.

        的最后一小时The Irishmanis a terrific reminder of De Niro skill in his peak era but does it make up for the first 150 minutes of such an uneven performance?

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        要发布一个链接到迈克尔Koresky excelent review in Reverse Shot which makes compelling counter-arguments for most of these points: http://www.reverseshot.org/reviews/entry/2590/irishman

        2019年12月5日|MJ

        Maybe Godfather 2 should have just yanked some hooks into Brando's face and use a fuzzy lens. Or different actors for different ages of characters is good, even with advancing technology.

        2019年12月5日|Volvagia

        I like his performance in Joker and Silver Linings Playbook.

        2019年12月5日|/ 3rtful

        他不应该看起来像年轻德尼罗,他扮演一个角色。我真的没有,偶尔老人运动的牛肉/或者声音。这是由不可靠叙述者有雾记忆件。我觉得德尼罗在这样的表现真是了不起,他的最好的,最感人的工作年。

        2019年12月5日|蒂姆

        I still don't know why The King of Comedy was such a flop at that time. For me it's Scorsese's best movie with De Niro's best performance.

        2019年12月5日|宋佳

        You say "De Niro looks like an old guy trying to act young" and I agree. However, to me, that's a feature and not a bug.

        爱尔兰人是一个关于记忆和死亡的幽灵如此看来恰当的青春甚至记忆已经被一个老男人的自我形象转化膜。我不知道你,但我有一个很难回想起前几年,而不是想象我在我过去的自我的作用现在的自己。它的记忆和自我形象,我很少看到在影院代表的怪癖,但爱尔兰人唤起这样的难题,而完美。

        除了缺乏魅力位的,其实我同意大多数本文。但是,尽管德尼罗的数字平滑鬼魂会在其他设置太可怕了,他似乎是在与爱尔兰人的色调和专题探索其余和谐统一。正因为如此,我没有问题,称赞他的表现在第一时间,以及它的最后行为公然掌握。

        2019年12月5日|Cláudio Alves

        你只是不想享受电影本身。这是一个虚构的宝宝!让自己所讲述的故事。

        2019年12月5日|Jorge

        Well the movie never tells you how old he's supposed to be at any of those points.

        So it's really just your problem.

        2019年12月5日|Me

        The FX are not good. Such a bad choice from Scorsese, it takes you out of the movie every time.
        而德尼罗是好的,我们更好地看到,但他是那些最后时刻的罚款。

        2019年12月5日|雷米

        本的分他假设我们automatically agree with, as if they are obvious, and therefore doesn't bother to flesh them out. I was intrigued by the premise of this piece, and welcome different points of view, but it really needed to be fleshed out. Why is it so short? Even on a blog, we can read and engage with critical pieces.

        To the first point: You're right we all know what young Robert De Niro looks like, but cinema has always required audiences to engage in suspension of disbelief. There are many films throughout cinema history featuring young actors with a lot of make up, so they can portray their characters in old age. As these young actors grow older, they don't look exactly the way the films made their characters, with all the old-age make up.

        Do we then go back to these films and dismiss them as credible stories simply because the actors in them aged differently than the filmmakers imagined? In this case, we're talking about technology and not make-up, but don't the same rules apply for suspension of disbelief? Why is the technology held to a higher standard than traditional make-up in movies? A question worth considering, especially when Scorsese himself has compared the de-aging technology to traditional make-up, and argued that he opted to use the technology instead of the make-up because while it's better for a story to use make-up to make characters look older, technology is better to characters look younger.

        I also don't think it's fair for you to use Robert De Niro's filmography to critique the way the younger Frank Sheeran looks in The Irishman. This is, after all, its own movie, and De Niro is playing a character, not himself. Maybe young Frank Sheeran in the film doesn't look like the actual younger Robert De Niro or any of his other characters, but why can't we accept that this is because De Niro is playing a new character, and this is what a young Frank Sheeran might have looked like?

        Point 2: Out of all the point, this is the most persuasive, but again I think it needs a little more fleshing out. Are there other scenes to point to as well? Or is it just this one scene on the sidewalk? I ask because, surely one scene in the film shouldn't equate to "the first 150 minutes of such an uneven performance," as you claim it to be.

        要点3:为什么它很重要,如果德尼罗已经有一段时间没有了很大的?不应该表现来判断它是什么?很多的赞誉来自于,因为德尼罗已经有一段时间没有已经很大了,这是一个值得欢迎的惊喜地看到他提醒我们,为什么他是这样一个伟大的演员的事实。

        其他一些要点:

        You write: "All the while, he advances up the ranks because…why? Perhaps charisma and charm, but De Niro plays up precisely none of that."

        我觉得电影清楚地表明,他不会移动,因为任何个人魅力或饰品的行列,而是因为他知道如何服从命令,并把工作做好,不问它问题太多了。这也是他的缺点作为一个人物 - 他是在一次被动和主动。被动在这个意义上,他并没有真正考虑自己行为的后果,也不承担责任,他们,但活跃,因为他是,事实上,采取这些订单,并承诺这些可怕的罪行,没有想太多关于他们的。我认为这部电影的一点是,他没有魅力和魅力,他或多或少机器人走过场,只有在以后的生活,他觉得这个浑浑噩噩存在的重量是。

        你写的:“爱尔兰人的最后一个小时是他的巅峰时代德尼罗技术的一个很好的提醒,但它弥补了前150分钟这样的业绩是不平衡?”

        同样,我不知道,如果你的批评的性能或技术。它们可以分开吗?也许不是。但是,所有的点都涉及到这个想法,因为该技术不会使你相信某些事情,表现因此不利于前150分钟左右。但是,你没有真正用的是什么,你把你的很多先入为主的想法是有关一个年轻的罗伯特·德尼罗是应该看起来像到这部电影,并用它来批评表现人物参与。

        2019年12月5日|约瑟夫

        我很惊讶纳撒尼尔是说这篇文章 - 这种消极和无知从笔者来(而不是从thefilmexperience正常的精神)

        2019年12月5日|JamesMal

        我与爱尔兰最大的抱怨是分布。

        I started it on Netflix, got bored/distracted. Finishing it feels like a chore. I will—but for someone with such strong opinions about "cinema" Scorsese should know that Netflix isn't a good platform for his 3.5 hour baby.

        2019年12月5日|JF

        我在爱尔兰人仙三:
        1.)起搏是恶劣。发生了什么事!?塞尔玛
        2)解老作用是显而易见的,做得不好,并打破难以置信的悬架从故事减损。(为什么人们赞叹保持这部电影技术?!?)
        3.) I agree that DeNiro's performance is ... better... in the last hour, but not so mind-blowingly so that I'm going to ignore the non-performance in the rest of the film.

        真的很喜欢这两个双鱼座的和帕西诺的表演。(UFFF ...和帕奎因,该死的她应得更多屏幕的时间!)

        这些反老化效果让我想起了一两件事,我不喜欢纯真年代......最后一幕的DDL老化妆。只是......不是很大。

        2019年12月5日|特拉维斯

        首先,我怎么忘了撕德尼罗是出租车司机。

        Second, I don't think it's fair to cast aside his post-2000 performances just because they're not breaking new ground. He's still very good, and he gave pretty fun/great performances in Silver Linings Playbook, The Family, and has even carved out a type in his David O Russell films. What's important is that in those films he still sets the screen on fire and is able to give genuine star performances.

        我以为他是这里很好,发挥在那里他反映的场景和他与霍法的关系非常好。去agining部分没有打扰我,而是为影片的前三分之一是公正的世界 - 建筑,所以没有那么多玩,他不是电动的。如果他错过了奥斯卡NOM它不会打扰我。

        2019年12月5日|

        与德尼罗的最大的问题是眼睛。当他年轻的他的眼睛非常蓝。这太过分了,太令人难以置信。其中佩西修复他的卡车场景是荒谬的。你看派西在他的脸上巨大的特效和定期找棕色眼睛年轻化。然后你变成德尼罗,他的脸看起来不错,但他的眼睛看起来像蓝灯。可怕的,容易修复的错误。

        我同意虽然步行路程。年轻德尼罗实际上确实走路像老德尼罗。

        但你不能真正故障的整个过程,因为双鱼座和帕西诺看起来非常真实与效果。

        2019年12月5日|Mafer

        I 100% endorse Ben's post.

        Nothing about this awards season is as baffling to me as the praise and prizes for The Irishman and for DeNiro's performance as a "lock" for an Oscar nomination.

        这部电影是miscast(特技播?),并基本上只是觉得预热过史科瑟思。这部电影做了一件我从未想到我会说大约史科瑟思电影:它让我厌烦。

        2019年12月5日|Hustler

        “爱尔兰人的特征希兰闲聊连霸,开着卡车,执行歹徒职责和最终的前两个多小时命中称歹徒。在这期间,他提出的行列,因为......为什么呢?也许,感召力和魅力,但德尼罗扮演了恰恰都不是“。

        希兰在队伍移动了,不是因为他的迷人魅力或者,这是因为他准确无误地忠诚。他不正是他的要求做的,从来没有问题了。他的工作是杀了人当被问及这样做的,他擅长这样做。他的性格的全部意义就在于他不是一个特别有魅力的或有趣的人;他的价值,因为他愿意杀的,它的这种局面damns他,使最后一个小时那么悲惨,因为我们看到他成长为一个可怜的,孤独的老人。

        2019年12月5日|养兔场

        我们可以谈论什么帕西诺在这个正在做,太多的铝和往常一样,我唯一看到的是杂耍。

        2019年12月5日|markgordonuk

        Mmmhmm,我真的努力过爱尔兰人获得。德尼罗既不看起来30多岁,也没有爱尔兰。(那些可笑蓝色接触几乎一样糟糕,约翰尼·德普在黑弥撒。)事实上,如果我没有读到德尼罗是* *应该是30多岁的爱尔兰人开始时,我不认为去老化会一直竟然真的注册为。

        像我爱好家伙,史科瑟思已被证明是更一招鲜的累,过度玩黑帮风格之内。我想冲动重新审视你的面包,黄油是可以理解的,但三个半小时是如此自我放纵,这可能是为什么各大电影公司拒绝了他。(他的最后一部电影里,也超长沉默,轰炸硬)。

        谁不思念不翘的好节奏,轻快几天没住在这里了,海角恐惧,和喜剧之王?

        2019年12月5日|马里科

        Who cares what DeNiro looked like in the film! Didn't bother me, never took away from the story. DeNiro's performance was OK but Joe Pesci was the standout for me, MVP of the film. I enjoyed The Irishman a lot and can understand the rave reviews.

        2019年12月5日|BRANDZ

        That curb-stomping scene was embarrassingly bad. The Irishman is a low point for all involved. With the inexplicable and criminally undeserving praise it keeps getting, I fear this is going to be a disappointing and long awards season (though not as disappointing and long as this never-ending lifeless movie).

        2019年12月5日|道格

        他们应该得到一个年轻的演员来扮演角色的将我从未说服德尼罗是younger-它是专门分心时,乔·佩西称他的孩子

        2019年12月5日|Jaragon

        If you want to see DeNiro at his peak looking young hot and giving a great performance just watch "The Deer Hunter" in which the character clearly has the hots for his Christopher Walken you would think they would end up on "Brokeback Mountain". "The Irishman" is a good movie but if they had cut an hour it would have been a lot better

        2019年12月5日|Jaragon

        我作为乔·佩西真正的奇迹是微妙的。他整场演出就像他过去Scorses电影表演180。这个小老头从来没有举起他的声音,因为他从来没有到。佩西中而不是在某种程度上仍然可怕的精神错乱。

        Maybe it was the FX work that made his face look the same during the first half. Facial expressions are hard to duplicate, and when he is unencumbered by this during that last half his performance does seem to improve. But I completely agree about the movement. That particular scene of him attacking a man outside the store- he was moving like a man in his 70's. De Niro is still pretty athletic but did not move like a younger man.

        帕奎因的表现似乎是对她的存在。她有屏幕的魅力和你能感觉到正是她在屏幕上的感觉,你觉得它的时候,她是不是有像弗兰克一样。我也给德尼罗信用保卫帕奎因和她对批评表现。

        2019年12月5日|Tom G.

        The whole time I was watching I did not even realize it was visual effects. It was done smoothly imo and De Niro’s best performance in years.

        2019年12月5日|Fadhil

        Preconceived notions are lazier than rewarding the obvious.

        2019年12月5日|Me

        解老化是一个巨大的分心,我震惊了,这么多的发现这些年老体弱,像鸟一样的老人说服男性在30多岁/ 40岁。电影本身是一个艰难的,但就像黄飞鸿......好莱坞一时间,那些参与制作的声望似乎从资格批评电影为多。

        2019年12月6日|丹尼

        我看到“出租车司机”昨天晚上 - 现在这是一个电影!

        2019年12月6日|Jaragon

        More of doing the same ^, goodness.

        2019年12月6日|Me

        我提前道歉那些谁上面我没有看到任何其他的评论有评论;但我只是在跳,并与作者的点完全不同意。

        I just finished watching The Irishman. First up - the very thing that makes De Niro’s performance so appealing to me is that he is not acting like a a young De Niro. I found myself wanting to know about this Frank Sheeran guy not thinking: hey young De Niro didn’t look like this. Or: De Niro was so good in Taxi Driver.

        其次,弗兰克·希伦不是特拉维斯的Bickle等于是他为什么应该有一个特拉维斯的Bickle的身体吗?他可能已移动少运动能力,但后来他提到他有这很可能已经被他30岁的体现一种退行性回的问题。管他呢。他的动作就像他的性格不移动像一个年轻的德尼罗。

        Finally - the reason they all liked and trusted Frank was because he shut up, listened, showed respect to all these “tough guys” and did what the f—- he was told. That’s how De Niro played it. When he was a Teamsters President in his own right he had achieved the level of respect required to speak up, express his opinion and try to act as a mediator; and so De Niro’s performance reflected this in the final part of the film.

        De Niro may no longer be the best actor in the world (having watched A Marriage Story yesterday, I’m inclined to think that may be Adam Driver) but he still capable of carrying this three hour epic and providing the centre around which all the other brilliant character actors revolve.

        2019年12月8日|Joanne