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Jul 09 2020

在上升,下降,“汉密尔顿”的一般乱作为奥斯卡的竞争者。

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汉密尔顿在2016年取得了11项托尼奖现在有些球迷希望同样的生产赢得奥斯卡,太。亚博主页你一直都在故事汉密尔顿as an Oscar contender? It has not been easy to follow! As you all know, the Academy Awards are in chaos this year due to COVID-19. In addition to pushing the ceremony back and changing the calendar of eligibility, they'd previously announced a bending of their "must play in theaters for a week" rules to allow for streaming films that only MEANT to play in theaters. That loophole was meant to close again after the COVID crisis was over but once you've made a loophole that big, it usually grows in size. Now suddenly everything wants to be an Oscar contender. Or at least fans of everything want their favourite thing to be one. It's yet another reminder of the cultural dominance of the Oscars (despite cries of "irrelevant!" each season) that it's considered the "top" award.

关于流媒体资格的奥斯卡规则的改变是为了弥补电影院被关闭连续数月,但它始终将是有问题的。究竟该如何院将强制执行“的意思为”条款?

-Does这包括希望在影院播放,但销售给在节日,而不是流媒体服务的电影呢?

-Does that include entertainments that planned non-traditional event screenings in theaters and then couldn't even do that?

-Will that include films that had no specific plans, either way, other than to sell to a distributor and then sold to streamers after the shutdown because those were the only venues buying?

汉密尔顿的说唱战斗是一种享受。现在过来它是否是“电影”语义战役

In the past a theatrical release has not been the be all / end all of Oscar eligibility. Special engagements screenings like Fathom Events, for example, which is typically where'd you'd been able to see filmed records of live shows like汉密尔顿,所以谁也不敢说什么样的电影上映迪士尼将有实际安装的拍摄阶段生产没有自动转换到奥斯卡的资格汉密尔顿? Neverthelessthe quality of the live-recording was so highthat fans and pundits alike pounced and pronounced it "Oscar eligible!".

That may or may not prove to be wishful thinking but it was definitely premature. Within a couple of days Variety had claimed that the "movie" was事实上资格,理由是对记录的现场直播奥斯卡奖的纪录片规则。名利场in an article in which we're extensively quoted (plug plug), later countered that that's possibly just the beginning of the story and it might be eligible for一些(其他)两类。

这些陈述或论点往往没有考虑到学院对自己的裁决有时规则。为什么例如是拾得录像纳粹集会短一晚的花园在2017年被提名当导演马歇尔库里只有编辑的现场活动背部的镜头别人拍摄于1939年,覆盖在它上面的分数?这似乎是一个直接违反了他们对记录的现场活动规则。

无论如何迪士尼知道的拍摄纪录汉密尔顿is an awards contender (of some kind) and will be submitting it for prizes as they see fit later. Each organization will then have to make a determination. We'd personally be most comfortable with an Emmy play. Live tapings of musical productions (with an audience) have become regular there as we saw with the terrific万世巨星直播.

汉密尔顿(2020) is非常good but it is not a movie.

It is a recording of a theatrical event using cinematic tools. Just because a piece of entertainment calls itself a "movie" does not mean it is one in the spiritual sense. It's not any more a "movie" than狮子王(2019)是“真人电影”,因为它促进了自己是(考虑到这是完全由电脑动画)。我被称为“看门人”为指出汉密尔顿(2020)不应该被奥斯卡在Twitter上的资格。不hers argued that since it uses cameras, editing, and sound mixing (all traditional cinema tools and require artistic decisions specifically for this format/ event) it is, thus, a "movie" and I was wrong. Full stop.

我相反​​的观点到的是,如果电影的工具和决策都认为有必要为“电影”,然后在电视上直播所有的体育赛事或演唱会直播是,正式那么,一部电影。它们都使用录音设备,多台摄像机和编辑选择。由于是每一个音乐视频,的TikTok和电视节目。我曾经参加的赛季首演疯子在只邀请在纽约时代广场筛选投影到大屏幕上。如果它已经然后被认为是电影和奥斯卡资格?疯子is better than the bulk of films released in any given year but it is a television show, however cinematic it often successfully aspired to be. Saying an apple is not an orange even though they're both fruits is not, in our minds, gatekeeping or elitist but merely factual. But we've been surprised that many have vociferously disagreed.

Where do you stand?

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我爱/我迷上了哈密尔顿。我同意你的看法,它不应该是奥斯卡资格。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家瑞安T.

再一次,纳撒尼尔是正确的,所以很多人都难以置信的愚蠢。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家DL

“汉密尔顿(2020年)是非常好的,但它不是一部电影。”

我完全同意!

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Amirfarhang

这真的很有趣。

Coronavirus-related platform issues aside, and just thinking of the content:

任何不包括视觉特效真人电影,在某种程度上,现场活动的记录。一个肯·罗奇膜,例如,是一系列的现场活动(为人处事 - 在这种情况下,作用)的电影摄影机拍摄,然后编辑在一起,讲述一个故事。在这个层面,它是一样的汉密尔顿的“电影”。

所不同的,虽然是普通大众无法买票的作用及其零部件的肯·罗奇电影人的现场活动。他们所做的是不是戏剧。什么汉密尔顿的演员和工作人员所做的就是戏剧。

最大的奥斯卡比较,当然,这是由一人发挥性能的电影录音“给他们地狱,哈利”主演詹姆斯·惠特莫尔和其惠特莫尔被提名为最佳男演员1975年。但我不知道如何有资格以及是否后续规则做出那种电影不合格的。理查德·普赖尔,例如,入围1979年电影人协会评论家最佳男演员奖,他在理查德·普赖尔性能:演唱会。但我不能找到演唱会电影/接收提名舞台制作的任何其他明显的例子还是提到了电影奖项。

Coming close is the 1965 film Othello, a restaging of the National Theatre's successful production starring Laurence Olivier, Frank Finlay, Joyce Redman and Maggie Smith, filmed - as I understand it - on enlarged versions of the NT's stage sets, and for which all four actors received Oscar nominations (Finlay in a spectacular but understandable "he's not the title character" display of category fraud!).

This year's rules don't seem to define what a "motion picture" is or isn't, in terms of content or aesthetics. The Documentary rules do, however, say that "works that are essentially unfiltered records of performances" are ineligible.

So, is Hamilton
- 不合格的纪录片类别,但符合条件的最佳影片等。
- 没有资格在所有类别
- eligible on the grounds that it is a motion picture?

这将是有趣的,看看会发生什么。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家爱德华·L.

这不是电影,而是有点像奥斯卡颁奖典礼本身,或奥运更多。正是因为你说它是。

该学院将不得不拿出尽管对于这样的事情一些更严格的规则,因为在影院中的bigscreen和在你家的bigscreen之间的差异只会变得模糊。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家戴夫在好莱坞

Further to my earlier post: I should say that my feeling is that Hamilton shouldn't be eligible - for the reasons Nathaniel and others have said.

但我与戴夫在好莱坞同意,事情会变得不太清楚,除非有一个方法来定义是什么,是不符合条件的,内容明智的,无可置疑。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家爱德华·L.

Technology is changing the nature of film. Why are so many resistant?

一定年龄的人都会记得有线ACE奖的时候在1978年艾美奖主持身体排除这些新的有线电视节目不应与网络票价竞争。这愚蠢的屁股奖终于消失了20年后。

此外,没有这一切安顿早在上世纪70年代时,詹姆斯·惠特莫尔被提名为最佳男演员,他一个人的舞台剧给他们地狱,哈利的现场录音?

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家James

HAMILTON doesn't need this. Its creators won't be in the need to see their legacy hurt in a way.

We know many voters will not accept it and vote for it, even if it's somehow deemed eligible. But let's take a look at the categories. Where is it to get nominated?

1.图片 - 好吧,也许。我对此表示怀疑。
2.导演 - 不会在一万年发生。不与沉闷的电影选择。
3.编辑 - 永远不要。这样的一个平庸的工作。它实际上伤害比任何其他有关手艺了。
4.音乐 - 没有资格。
5. Song - NOT ELIGIBLE.
6. Cinematography - Won't happen. The lighting is the stage lighting. Camera movement lacks variety and cinematic feel.
7.改编剧本 - 这是音乐舞台剧。什么都没有改变,因为它不是一个电影。他们不会去那里。
8. Costume Design - If you read the guidelines, the costumes must be created specifically for the film. So NOT ELIGIBLE.
9. Production Design - Will this be deemed eligible at all, even if the whole thing is?
10.代理类 - 也许奥多姆,小充其量。
11. Sound - With a single category, I doubt it.

So, will they go there? To get a total of 1-2 nominations? This would be a slap in the face, even if it's eligible.

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Zoooey

我同意你的纳撒尼尔,这个记录汉密尔顿,而优秀的,不是电影,因此不应该有资格获得奥斯卡奖。亚博主页它是什么东西,我非常感激,因为这意味着我终于看到有什么大惊小怪约用汉密尔顿(它是优秀,每个人都已经说的),但有一定的语言影院,语言这个记录没有讲话。这个记录是讲戏剧的语言,因此应判断,并颁发剧场(它已经有了)。他们只是建立了一个规则,以阻止纪录片被同时在奥斯卡和艾美奖资格(后在两个OJ纪录片韩元),所以有后,这有资格获得奥斯卡似乎非常愚蠢的。亚博主页

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Richter Scale

It's not film, it's theater.

它使我疯了,当人们尼亚候选名单朱丽安·摩尔在42街出于同样的原因。我不在乎大家怎么美妙的是在电影,这是一个录音影院体验。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家JF

好莱坞不会休息,直到它的手LMM奥斯卡奖。但是,他们可以等待几年为他赢得了一个平庸的迪斯尼电影比汉密尔顿,正如你说的,不是电影。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家George

While I tend to agree that Hamilton shouldn't be eligible for most Oscar categories, I fear being too dogmatic about what is and isn't cinema. Maybe it's because I studied Theatre in college and explored (a lot) the soluble barriers between different performing arts, but when we start being too strict about these sorts of classifications we end up limiting our own perception of what an art form could be, what it could evolve into being.

例如,试图让纪录片和叙事电影作为两个独立的事情可能是一个有用的工具,但它限制了我们如何对待某些作品,过于关注将它们放在箱子。我特别看到这个在电影节问候的竞争选择,例如,在内容框中做基亚罗斯塔米的特写合适?有关系吗?老实说,我不认为它。

James already mentioned Vanya on 42nd Street as an example that shouldn't be considered eligible for these things, but I personally find it preposterous to view that production as not a work of cinema. Same thing with Bergman's The Magic Flute and Peter Brook's Marat/Sade, which I believe are stone-cold masterpieces and among the best marriages of Theatre and Cinema.

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Cláudio Alves

我认为这将是一个错误,迪士尼公司将推动汉密尔顿的奥斯卡奖。亚博主页学院将不咬人,但*也许*对于演员像芮妮·埃莉斯·戈尔兹伯里和低提名数+关于失败的奥斯卡梦想的故事将永远玷污财产。没有人认为我们不会在未来10年得到一个真正的* *汉密尔顿的电影?威尔迪斯尼(谁我想将其分发)想要的最终电影感觉像一个陈旧的重拍?

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Dusty

“好莱坞不会休息,直到它的手LMM奥斯卡奖,但是他们可以等待几年为他赢得了一个平庸的迪斯尼电影......”

IN THE HEIGHTS is right there. It would be releasing this summer if it weren't for *all of this*...

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家瑞安T.

"Now suddenly everything wants to be an Oscar contender...It's yet another reminder of the cultural dominance of the Oscars (despite cries of 'irrelevant!' each season) that it's considered the "top" award."

这是非常正确的;尽管不相干的哭声,我似乎听到了奥斯卡的每一年中越来越多的引用。演员在他们的关系在媒体的一个奖项越来越描述,即使该事件被描述它没有连接 - “奥斯卡提名演员被视为购买在当地的超市有机香蕉;”“奥斯卡得主詹妮弗·劳伦斯自豪地在水槽小便”等

Actors and studios seem thirstier and more aggressive with their campaigning than they were in previous decades. So much attention is paid to the Oscars, and there are months of build up with the precursor prizes...it makes the whole thing seem more important than it really is.

I miss the days when people weren't so openly desperate for Academy consideration. If you got nominated, it was nice; if you won, it was even better, but people didn't act like an Oscar was the equivalent of a Nobel Prize like they do today.

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家麦克·M.

很难同意你的看法,纳撒尼尔!

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家凯利·加勒特

克劳迪奥·:这些都是很好的例子——东方三博士c Flute, another Oscar-nominated film, even shows audience members in the theatre watching the production. There's also Swimmning to Cambodia, in which Spalding Gray sits at a table on a stage and talks about his life - definitely a movie (and one for which he was nominated for the Independent Spirit Awards). I tend to agree with you about not wanting to limit what film is or could be. It's just the Academy rules are pretty vague when an example such as Hamilton arises. That said, vagueness can be good as it can give eligibility to something that does push at the boundaries of definition. It's for this reason that I'm opposed to any clearer rules around what constitutes a leading role or a supporting role; although I loathe the greed of category fraud, as son as one starts to put a rule together, there's always an acceptable - even delightful - example that falls outside the rule.

麦克·M.: I miss those days too. I started following the race in 1987, and back then - and well into the '90s - things tended to happen in this order: a film got made and released, people watched it and liked it, and then at the end of the year voters were reminded of it in case they wanted to vote for it at the Oscars. Now it often happens virtually in the opposite order: a film is announced, voters are reminded that they will surely want to vote for it when the Oscars come round, then people decide what they think about the film, then they watch it (at festivals), and then it gets released. Perhaps most depressingly, it gives the impression that a lot of people are only, or primarily, interested in making films because they want to win an Oscar. The season has become a year-round thing (something that, at least, this site, led by Nathaniel, keeps in sensible perspective).

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家爱德华·L.

爱德华·L., this is actually fake. Bergman's Magic Flute isn't a taped performance of a real production. It was directed by Bergman specifically to be filmed, so it's pretty different. And unlike Hamilton, it's very cinematic.

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Zoooey

Zoooey:感谢:我的坏 - 暂时遗忘。但魔笛是用不同的方式奥斯卡怪异:它是一个虚构的电视电影,提前履行了电影发行的实际显示瑞典的电视上。我认为,这将排除这种可能性奥斯卡争下的现行规则。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家爱德华·L.

甚至还不如一部纪录片?根据新规则,将DA彭纳贝克的“原班人马专辑:公司​​”被认为是现场活动的记录?

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家劳尔

Zoooey - 我想你是分类的实际生产为一体,是商业演出的付费观众。这两个“万尼亚在第42街”和“魔笛”用戏剧分期(虽然伯格曼的情况下,在工作室重建),设置和技术。马勒的照片拍摄与观众,即使他们被邀请并没有支付赞助人。在我提到的其他情况下,布鲁克的“马拉/萨德”直接脱胎于著名的舞台制作的同名的,即使它有不同的分期,没有定期拍摄观众。

我得到的,当然你的观点。他们是由“汉密尔顿”不同,出了名左右。

话虽这么说,我觉得很倔强线之间是什么,是不是电影是麻烦的,因此,我先前的评论图纸。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Cláudio Alves

爱德华L. - 绝对,但它肯定是更难在70年代来跟踪这些东西。我读过,甚至在这里,所提交的乌拉圭(但来自阿根廷)外语电影在90年代初被提名。这样的事情一定发生了不少。毕竟,芬妮与亚历山大也是一个短剧,它的初衷是为电视。如今,将被视为不合格马上,但它是在上世纪80年代一个巨大的竞争者。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Zoooey

克劳迪奥 - 我明白你的意思,它是最细微的,最好的反驳我听说到我这个感受。但除此之外,我已经完全抛出,有谁认为相机记录剧院演出突然电影院这么多的人。它仍然剧场和戏剧是神奇!

我不断听到“但他们做出选择的相机”,我想知道,如果人们只是没体会如何几乎一切,我们在电视上看到和在线不管haphazhard lookingi如何S的选择的集合。现场直播有导演和灯光和编辑这都在那一刻决定(当然是有规划的一些参数)和我想象汉密尔顿一样,只有在有很多预先计划为其中的反向角度从拍摄。

These are all creative choices that artists have to make, yes, but there are awards for these things already!!!

我想我只是觉得人真的不尊重的电影,因为他们总是希望事情是不被认为是电影,使他们能够为它们命名的电影“最好的”,也看到怪异的双峰S3上的十大电影名单局面几几年前。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家NATHANIEL R

虽然我感觉更舒服了艾美奖的竞争,我不会一直不安,如果它被认为是奥斯卡奖资格。这将已经与规则的问题,而不是艺术,在我看来。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家thefilmjunkie

绝对同意。保存奥斯卡实际的电亚博主页影改编。(在这娜雅·里维拉就已经得到了完美的当归...)

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家布什克

有一个关于从这里被共享上世纪70年代英格玛·伯格曼的电影显著误传。1974年,从婚姻,initiallly最佳女演员丽芙·乌尔曼和最佳导演英格玛·伯格曼领跑者,场景在1974年9月被取消资格,因为它是在1973年4月显示在瑞典电视台,一年多来在美国的影院上映前。由于以前的电视放映,AMPAS不合格短剧的好评编辑的版本。抗议涌现其中包括奥斯卡获奖女演员和导演支持电影的参加1974年奥斯卡颁奖典礼的能力签署了著名的信。的骚动是无济于事。

Bergman learned his lesson. After the debacle he released his films edited from television miniseries theatrically before they were shown on Swedish television.

面对面,从电视短剧戏剧编辑,发布于美国于1976年4月5日,随后在瑞典电视台显示在1976年由于两个伯格曼和乌尔曼被提名为奥斯卡结果4月28日。亚博主页

芬妮与亚历山大,从电视短剧戏剧编辑,发布于瑞典剧院于1982年12月和美国在1983年6月,该短剧并没有在瑞典电视,直到1983年12月。

除了所有这是伯格曼的令人惊讶hit of the opera The Magic Flute. The proposed film reached a high level of excitement when it initially announced that Barbra Streisand had agreed to play the Queen of the Night for the legendary filmmaker. That fell though, unfortunately. Bergman shot The Magic Flute, now a television movie, which aired in Sweden in January of 1975. The filmed opera was so popular that it was subsequently released theatrically in Sweden in October. The film was released the following month in the US. In this case, AMPAS permitted The Magic Flute to be considered for Oscars. It was nominated for its costumes.

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家James

詹姆斯 - 你能如此善良,在我的岗位指出误传?我将非常感谢。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Zoooey

我爱爱爱汉密尔顿。但纳撒尼尔是正确的。在短短几年内,他们将汉密尔顿的最终电影版。它会赢得最佳影片,最佳导演,最佳男主角,最佳男配角和最佳女配角(不管谁是中投)。它不会赢得最佳女主角,是因为它从来不会。

我们可以等到那个时候。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家DTSF

Zooey,

幽州因为芬妮与亚历山大被认为是一个短剧,将立即被宣布没有资格。正如我写的,从结婚的场景被取消资格的电影上映之前在电视上正在播出。这是规则。意图是不相关的。

发布日期是用来确定资格的因素。写在我的第一篇文章,伯格曼仔细投保双方面对面和芬尼和亚历山大之前被电视台以确保考虑戏剧运行。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家James

詹姆斯 - 如今,它会的。还记得在纪录片类别的变化。我相信这将扩大到普通类毫无疑问。无论无论是在电影院第一次显示,如果它看作是一个短剧,它的出。这是我的发言(有一个非常明确的参考到今天),我敢肯定,这将是这种情况。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Zoooey

“汉密尔顿”应该是有资格获得奥斯卡奖的事情,现在去。亚博主页拍你拍,迪士尼!它要么工作,否则将无法正常工作。人寿将继续不分,或任何“生命”我们呼吁我们目前生活的假象。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家韦斯利

我关于这个主题的所有周到和知名的帖子感谢。
当我开始阅读这篇文章,我坚定地与纳撒尼尔,汉密尔顿是不是电影。
I love Bergman's "The Magic Flute", and do consider it to be a film, the way it was shot is very different than "Hamilton".
然而,它确实给我停下来,当我们看到一个珍贵的电影如何能够根据奥斯卡的规则“灰色地带”。我记得在“场景从婚姻法”的骚动。
At the risk of sounding stuffy I hope the Academy holds firm on "Hamilton" - it is a performance.
如果他们想把它适应媒体,他们能做到这一点。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家LadyEdith

Zoooey

You are comparing apples and oranges. O.J. Made in America was released theatrically at its 7 hour, 47 minutes miniseries length that was the same run time on television.

Bergman's reconstructed his films from his Swedish miniseries of similar length to show theatrically at conventional running times. For instance Fanny and Alexander the miniseries was five hours and 12 minutes. The film ran three hours and eight minutes. If you have watched both, you know they are extremely different and stand alone as cinema.

抱歉。我不同意新纪录片规则适用于叙事电影。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家James

这不是一部电影。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家竿

这是令人难以置信的虚伪喜欢汉密尔顿的奥斯卡的机会,体育赛事的奥斯卡的机会。叙事和电影结构,这种生产汉密尔顿显然存在。在奥斯卡竞争是好的。亚博主页到时候“电影”,根据您的精确和崇高的标准,目前百老汇施放将有自己的角色的老化。然后一个年轻演员,其中决然劣势将使较小的产品,以满足学院“老卫兵”。总废话。争取资格和任何事情的发生。

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家RQ

我完全同意,它不应该有资格获得奥斯卡奖。亚博主页正如你所说,艾美奖对拍摄制作的荣誉,使之成为东西,可以在任何屏幕上观看所需要的技术方面的一个类别。如果奥斯卡这个亚博主页资格做了1062,在未来的任何游戏能赢得奥斯卡奖,这似乎不公平。

What's not as clear to me is what differentiates films that premiere on streaming services and are considered Emmy-eligible TV movies, like Bad Education, Selah and the Spades, and Troop Zero, from movies that are aired the same way and compete for the Oscars, like so much of Netflix's fare. I'm assuming Greyhound will compete at the Oscars, but what about An American Pickle, premiering next month on HBO Max? There has to some consistency, right?

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Abe

我认为这是一个电影,因为目的是为了释放在剧院。这将是电视直播活动的制作(或任何类别,在允许拍摄戏剧的叫法),如果它的目的是为电视广播或只是在流释放。我不认为它只是一个与编辑的是走进它水平的现场直播的录制。

If it's a better fit for a Documentary prize when it comes to film, so be it. It's exceptionally well produced with strong editing, cinematography, and sound design. Anyone who has tried to record live audio and lights for a theatrical production knows how challenging it is to make it actually reflect the live performance.

Even still, calling it a documentary does not mean that we don't get to recognize the incredible skill of the actors onscreen. Renee Elise Goldsberry and Jonathan Groff, in particular, pop onscreen in their performances.

Also, there have been filmed theatrical performances nominated for the Academy Awards in the past. James Whitmore was nominated for Best Actor for a stageplay performance in 1976. There was also a filmed stage production of The Magic Flute nominated for Costumes that year.

不允许其亚博主页他演出未经过滤的录音奥斯卡颁奖典礼已经改变了他们的规则。没关系。我不同意,这是未经过滤的。它与编辑和多机工作的明确迹象计划记录。你不只是突然得到一个特写演员的面孔,当你坐在电影院交付给你的腿上。正在上演抢戏的场景并不神奇地推到前台。你没有得到从当你坐在乐队,当你在夹层下方,或不断地从在影院的所有不同的角度切换观看上面的场景。我可以继续下去。

Basically, the only question on my mind is if it's a documentary or narrative feature. If it's a documentary, it's a documentary with scripted acting performances. If it's a narrative feature film, the screenplay, score, production design, and costumes were not designed for film and shouldn't be eligible. Wherever it's deemed eligible, it will likely score many nominations and wins.

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家罗伯特·g ^

Do you remember Pina? What if it had only performances and nothing else? Would it be a documentary?

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家卡尔·罗斯

这是一出戏不是电影的记录 - 它不应该是一个奥斯卡contender-是的,我可以看到它得到一些艾美奖nominations-,谁知道那些古怪的金球奖以人为哦,是的,他们有一个电视品类太

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Jaragon

RQ -- how is it disingenous? everything you're talking about with its structure is directly from the stage play. I saw it on Broadway with this cast.They filmed multiple performances and edited them together into one performance. It's literally a recording of the stage production. That's exactly how it plays out. The only changes were to drop a few swear words at Disney's request.

Many stage shows have been filmed like this. I recently saw a streaming broadcast of the National Theater's production of Frankenstein. Like Hamilton it was beautifully cinematic with multiple camera angels, strong performances, and good editing (while also being a recording of a literal theatrical performance). It also played in theaters (Fathom Events), So should all Broadway and West End shows that are recorded now be eligible for Oscars? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't think it's a "lofty standard" to say that if a stage show wants movie prizes it needs to be adapted into a movie.

我非常感谢这个重新编码存在。这是一个伟大的伟大的演出,我绝对同意你的观点,中投是巨大的,一个电影版将很难顶部它并有可能陷入困境铸造。但是,这些演员已经赢得(蕾妮,张国荣,Daveed)或被提名(LinManuel,乔纳森,克里斯托弗,菲利帕)的最高奖项在其确切的艺术形式,这些精确的表演 - 在东尼斯!

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家NATHANIEL R

这令我*另一*办法从年初或独立电影排除值得电影。像,这最终会得到它的电影改编以及是否这将是好还是不好,显然达未来的命运之手,而是由提名这个版本是约85%(从我的理解到膝盖了,我还没有看到直播节目或迪斯尼+版本)在剧场版作出的决定。像,其服饰设计*为舞台*。署理选择作了*为舞台*。该套建*为舞台*。

唯一的类别也可能是在编辑和声音,并从理论上竞争TBH,我有没有问题。这部电影是* *计划获得影院上映,虽然在2021年,使他们无法“证明”之类的AMPAS规则调度似乎暗示他们会需要。

而且,因为它涉及到纪实类......嗯,这是它自己的事情。我无法想象的分支曾提名它就像他们将如何不再提名演唱会电影(并没有很长一段时间)。我觉得演唱会的文档是最具可比性的,我没有任何与希望提名那些东西像编辑,甚至最佳影片的问题。但是汉密尔顿的情况下,它只是似乎愚蠢现在提名它。

艾美奖有这样的事情自己eligibilities。他们给奖杯舞台表演(伊莱恩·斯特里奇想到)。但后来的东西,如活的百老汇音乐剧,他们一直在做最近已专门在考虑在电视上播出创建。所以...

2020年7月9日|未注册的批评家Glenn Dunks

“汉密尔顿”是拍摄戏剧体验。这将永远没有资格为奥斯卡在过去,没有理由认为这是一个现在。

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家安东尼

Damn even if I lean closer to your opinion you really get a defensive almost condescending tone in these articles Nathaniel. Please take care of yourself. You don't think it's perceivable but your mental state really conveys itself clearly through your writings. xo

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家B.好

Meh, whatever they decide it doesn't matter much to me. Plus Claudio coming through in the comments and making Nathaniel look like a whiny philistine was pretty funny. Claudio for leader of TFE, Nathaniel for semi-retirement! (Just kidding, you utilize your shining star well Nathaniel)

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家多米尼克

"I saw it on Broadway with this cast" That privilege may be subconsciously biasing your view Nathaniel. Robert G. makes some good points, for regular less privileged folks like us with this being our first exposure to the full showing i'm surprised that we are more perceptive of the intricate camera work that you might simply put down to the staging you were blessed enough to view in person.

此外,如果你有信心,学院会觉得像你这样,这将是幸运的获得连一个提名和百老汇演出可能不会不厌其烦地尝试把自己起来考虑,当普通影院业务是背部和运行。

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家Nyeshia

From what we know of Lin-Manuel Miranda he will very shortly release a statement or tweet saying that this version of Hamilton will not be seeking Academy Award consideration and to keep safe and excited for a feature film version once the world is safer to do so.

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家神谕

我想,是什么使得它阴暗正在迪斯尼电视加(或任何它被称为;不是订户)。如果这对NBC播出,如“音乐之声”或“JCS,”那就直奔艾美奖B / C它是专为电视。“汉密尔顿”是不是这样。它被规划为2021戏院上映这是停滞不前COVID-19 B / C。通过定义,使其一部电影。不要被称之为“电影音乐会”(这不是 - 无论是叙事和电影结构清晰),它过度复杂化,也不是“纪实”(“汉密尔顿”特殊的制作已经存在 - 见上PBS或A&E)。我完全与它的罚款是奥斯卡资格。亚博主页我不是在语义感兴趣,那是什么样子时,我交后读的职位,屈尊人谁胆敢认为这确实是一个电影,罪名多达别的奥斯卡考虑。我们不是哑巴或短视的,但我们认识到,电影定义在流媒体和检疫的年龄不断发展的。 The Oscar purists of the world are in for a rude awakening in the coming decade or earlier. So whatever, go for it Disney! There's nothing to lose in the effort of trying.

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家Ian

这不是一个documentary-它的舞台表演录音。

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家Jaragon

Was the precedent for "Hamilton" not already established with James Whitmore in "Give em Hell, Harry!"? Is that not a real cinematic "performance" b/c it's on stage? I know that internet punditry didn't exist back then, but did the Pauline Kael's and Roger Ebert's of the world throw bitchfits over Whitmore's Oscar nomination or not?

2020年7月10日|未注册的批评家山姆我

山姆我- I don't remember if Roger Ebert or Pauline Kael threw bitchfits, but I certainly did for the reasons everyone has been stating.

如果汉密尔顿被认为是合格的(我真的不care one way or the other - just as long as it's not also eligible for the Emmys - no double dipping!), it would be cool if those Live from the Met broadcasts would be eligible. There have been weekends when my most pleasurable theatrical experiences were watching Les Troyens or Norma or Semiramide, which beat any "real" movies I saw.

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